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Unit Proposal: Woodmen of Anduin

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TheDarkOne:
Mordor rush and continuous onslaught can be countered without an additional outpost. Building it just merely ensures a player's survival against advanced troops in a later game and a possible victory. If you can't, try harder. That's the point. Thus, additional barracks are not important. And I did not say a word about a dire need of a Mirkwood outpost to be build to repel rush spam.

Don't get me wrong, I do not question Fredius' intentions. I am saying there are certainly more important things than a bunch of some woodmen to be implemented into Edain.

Beornings are powerful shapeshifters. One of them did even participate in the battle of five armies. Community wanted them in the mod, so here they are. Like Lindon and Dunedain. Similar story. And I personally do not wish to see Lothlorien faction corrupted by their presence. Sorry, couldn't hold that one.

Fredius:
Right, a Mordor rush can be countered by "trying harder". That's not a very valid argument tbh. If a map has only one outpost plot, and the other player get's control over it, then it's pretty much over for Lothlorien, especially when he plays against Mordor or Rohan. Lothlorien's basic troops are just too lightly armoured to counter it, and once stuck in the base then even their upgrades can't help them.
Also, like I said in my proposal, the role of this unit is to defend your settlement plots as well, because defending your citadel as Lothlorien is already hard enough, having to defend the settlements as well is overkill. They are ESPECIALLY crucial in the next siege patch, because settlements don't get defensive upgrades with a turret anymore.

I never said that Edain should implement the Woodmen in the next version.

And the Woodmen participated in the battle of the Galdden Fields. What's your point? The current Lothlorien faction is set during the War of the Ring, and neither the Beornings nor the Woodmen sent forces outside of their realms during that war. Please take a look at the first post, and the amount of people who agree with this idea, and you should see that the community wants this idea as well.

Nevertheless I will add your name to the against list.

lahe95:
Bloody brilliant and interesting proposal. I really like it. It's nice too see people suggest new interesting things. Good job. I hope it gets added to the mod. :)

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: TheDarkOne am 14. Jan 2017, 12:06 ---And I personally do not wish to see Lothlorien faction corrupted by their presence. Sorry, couldn't hold that one.

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I initially had a similar doubt about the presence of such common human units in the whole faction; even more, of Woodsmen who are not endowed with any magical property. But then I made up my mind and focused on the positive sides of the concept: namely, the fact that all Skin-changers would be given a more relevant role (which truly corresponds to their power) and so would be made even more precious, the fact that Mirkwood (the entire environment) is to become very variegated and the importance of exploring other sides of Tolkien's lore. If the Professor mentioned them, there must be a reason. Nevertheless, the holy and sacred characterisation of the other heart (the main heart) of the faction shall remain unaltered; Lothlórien is already very well characterised.

These are my thoughts. I obviously respect your opinion though, as disagreements are nonetheless part of a discussion; but, as you may know, there is always the will to convince people or just to debate things further. By the way, judging from the feedback received, this proposal did get an overall positive reception so far (both here and on ModDB).

Fredius:
Exactly, as of right now the Beornings are just too overrepresented in the mod. I, and the community as it seems, want them to be that special kind of unit that you won't see everyday.


--- Zitat von: lahe95 am 14. Jan 2017, 15:17 ---Bloody brilliant and interesting proposal. I really like it. It's nice too see people suggest new interesting things. Good job. I hope it gets added to the mod. :)

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And I thank you for your kind words, I hope they will be added as well :).

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