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Slawek56703:



--- Zitat von: dkbluewizard am  5. Jan 2017, 22:26 ---Slawek56703 I don't think Saruman should get as good of stats or abilities from his ring as it was not as good as any of the three. However, to see his ring incorporated as an ability might be interesting for Saruman.

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Sorry but u need totally misunderstood what i was talking about sorry again for confuse u maybe my post was broken or something i try to explain what i wanted to say in first post.


--- Zitat ---If only Saruman stances increase/decrease his abilities damage instead of melee damage that would fit Wizard Class more too

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By this i mean Stances used by units , Heroes and Monster  even machines.

We have 3 stance Agressive , Defensive and normal all of them give diffrent bonuses .

Agressive increase damage but lower armor / Defensive increase armor but lower damage

I wanted Saruman instead increase and decrease damage of his melee weapon attack so he could increase and decrease damage of his abilities damage depending on what stance he is .
 
This was minor idea for Wizard Class hahaha they still would have increased damage and health by leveling up

The pic i posted was from freaking Ebay ^^ :D  i was interested if Saruman really had Ring. Sorry again for trouble and sorry dkbluewizard with mistake with what i said

Walküre:
Thank you all for the very positive feedback. I'm going to translate the proposal in German in due time, so that we are able to know the opinion of the German-speaking users of the forum; hopefully, they'll see the good purposes of Narya's repatriation too. Many thanks again for the support.

dkbluewizard:
Diewalkure, I can't see why the Germans would be against this idea. You, Haman, and I all had input and this just makes sense. Good luck friend and may the light of the Valar be with you.

Elendils Cousin 3. Grades:
I don't like this proposal for a few reasons. First of all I don't like this stance swap thingy, but that's probably just me. It gets thrown around too much currently, I feel; Thranduil and Sauron already have it and now Gandalf should get it too?
Second, I don't like Narya to be implemented this way. Lordoflinks already pointed out why. Gandalf doesn't use Narya to power himself, but to lead others. Of course he mustn't have a leadership due to his role as a mass slayer as Walküre already stated, even though if there ever was a character in LotR who deserves such an ability it would probably be Gandalf. But he doesn't need something else just to get Narya in there somehow when a leadership isn't available.
And lastly, I can already tell you that a 50% damage boost on his abilities is way over the top - some of you guys have access to the beta, you should know what I'm talking about. ;)

Walküre:
Thank you for sharing your own opinions, Elendil. First of all, we opted for a stance system because it was the only viable way to implement such significant feature, without disrupting the hero's iconic abilities (something that we were told would never happen). Furthermore, I find the idea of a particular stance system, in dealing with each faction's mightiest heroes, a very clever addition, provided that each system is enough unique in itself and that we don't risk to have unnecessary replicas of concepts in the game. In this sense, Sauron's, Thranduil's and this proposal's mechanics are substantially different from each other. Different mechanics, different effects and different lore-related references. That's the most important thing.

Concerning the leadership issue, we were also expressly told that Gandalf would never be granted that either, for the reasons you too have stated above. It's not also completely true that Narya is only focused on inspiring hope and courage in other people: as the very Círdan says, the Ring of Fire protects also the bearer from the burdens of its mission and strengthens endurance. In fact, contrary to the physical and vast magical effects of Vilya and Nenya, Narya is exactly the only one of the Three which is majorly focused on the individual who wields it. So, for the sake of the concept, we decided to consider this fundamental aspect of the Ring's properties. As much as I hold Gandalf's overall role in high consideration, I think he could easily do without any leadership/guidance features too, since his nature is also the one of a wanderer and a pilgrim.

About values, every positive effect implies other negative implications, and I tried to make sure to balance things within my possibilities. Nothing is obviously written in the stone though. Numbers and values can always change. The central aspect is the concept itself. In the end, I would say this proposal is a lot better alternative than the current state of things, which not only is totally wrong in regards of the lore and quite far from the tone of the game (the War of the Ring), but it also doesn't do justice to Narya in the first place (a level-1 ability). I find a stance system (which involves one of the Three Rings!) tied to Gandalf's magical shield an absolutely greater and more interesting perspective. A very Edain-ish proposal  :)

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