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Smaug, the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities

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Walküre:
Do not tear yourself down so easily! I believe there is always that one thing which each of us excels in. Also, it was you who crafted the core proposal in the first place; you ought to be proud of that. We're just polishing the final details of the case ;)

I agree with you. I find all those titles nice and fancy, but some either sound too much poetic or detach from the actual essence of the feature. For example, it's true that every treasure that was raided by akin creatures has been in a sense cursed; it does represent a grievous testimony of defeat, it's true. Such descriptions relate more to the victims, though, rather than the very perpetrators. Henceforth, I think that Usurper embodies all we want to express and tells something about the malice of the infesting force at the same time. I would also leave it in the singular form, because it seems more general: it obviously refers to Smaug, primarily, yet its meaning may also get wider and comprehend the common trait of Goblins. That is, anyone of their ilk is a usurper. Last but not least, a usurper is he who took possession of someone else's treasure or, more frequently in old tales, of a kingdom/throne...

P.S. There are people who even excel in being awful, but this is another story [ugly]

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Walküre am  5. Feb 2018, 12:35 ---Do not tear yourself down so easily! I believe there is always that one thing which each of us excels in. Also, it was you who crafted the core proposal in the first place; you ought to be proud of that. We're just polishing the final details of the case ;)

I agree with you. I find all those titles nice and fancy, but some either sound too much poetic or detach from the actual essence of the feature. For example, it's true that every treasure that was raided by akin creatures has been in a sense cursed; it does represent a grievous testimony of defeat, it's true. Such descriptions relate more to the victims, though, rather than the very perpetrators. Henceforth, I think that Usurper embodies all we want to express and tells something about the malice of the infesting force at the same time. I would also leave it in the singular form, because it seems more general: it obviously refers to Smaug, primarily, yet its meaning may also get wider and comprehend the common trait of Goblins. That is, anyone of their ilk is a usurper. Last but not least, a usurper is he who took possession of someone else's treasure or, more frequently in old tales, of a kingdom/throne

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I was joking, yet  I cannot say it is completely wrong  :D
Anyway, I would stay with usurper. Not only Monsters infest lands, but also mark with evil everything they conquest. Such as for Khazad Dum, which after goblin invasion became a silent and empty ruined realm. Full of horrible creatures coming from the deep  :)
The main post will be updated with all new features, comprising a new tribute system ;)


--- Zitat von: Walküre am  5. Feb 2018, 12:35 ---P.S. There are people who even excel in being awful, but this is another story [ugly]

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I got what you mean  :D :D

Walküre:
I just updated the title of the thread. I wasn't acquainted with Smaug's titles in the English original translation and I did not know that it was 'chiefest' and not 'cheapest'. I had some doubts, thinking about some possible old-fashioned meaning of 'cheap', until I was casually watching that sequence in English, yesterday, and I discovered the right word.

It was objectively an improper choice, as if Smaug had been turned into a good or a commodity :P

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Walküre am 10. Feb 2018, 22:43 ---I just updated the title of the thread. I wasn't acquainted with Smaug's titles in the English original translation and I did not know that it was 'chiefest' and not 'cheapest'. I had some doubts, thinking about some possible old-fashioned meaning of 'cheap', until I was casually watching that sequence in English, yesterday, and I discovered the right word.

It was objectively an improper choice, as if Smaug had been turned into a good or a commodity :P

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What the heck, of course it was a mistake Walküre! no ancient meanings behind it...rather my disattention [ugly]...Moreover we all know that Smaug is priceless, for sure not cheap  :D
By the way, Thank you :)
P.s: everytime you or other members notice something strange like that, don't hesitate  letting me know! I'm like that sometime i'm sorry  [ugly]

Garlodur:

--- Zitat von: AulëTheSmith am  4. Feb 2018, 23:13 ---Regarding instead the tribute system, i'll make it more cool to play starting from Garlodur's ideas for sure. I sincerely did not spend so much time on that part  [ugly] rather i concentrated all my efforts on main abilities and core.

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Still, if I may ask, what do you think of my arguments for implementing the tribute system in such a way that unlocks abilities rather than levels?


--- Zitat von: Garlodur am  4. Feb 2018, 20:23 ---Therefore I want to suggest a tribute system that unlocks Smaug's abilities in his summoned and permanent form at the same time. Initially when having built the Dragon Lair Smaug can be summoned to the battlefield for a short time, with a long cooldown. But the player can also choose to make tributes to Smaug that unlock abilities, increase his summon, or shorten the cooldown. I think the best comparison is with Lorien's buildings that are upgraded in steps increasing Command Points, recruitment speed and unit production. With this mechanic, a player recruits/summons Smaug at level 1, with one/two abilities, levelling ordinarily. Yet to extend his power (which should feel like exponential growth) the player is required to pay tribute and unlock his other abilities, that will be unlocked regardless of level requirements. This gives Smaug even a SUPER-late-game aspect, when the match lingers on despite his presence.

I believe that this gives Smaug the extra edge over standard heroes, and highlights his strength as (one of) the last fire-breathing dragons in Middle-Earth. It is through similar intricate systems that the Necromancer (and hopefully soon the Lady of Light  ;)) is implemented. Furthermore, the distribution of abilities through the tribute system makes it easier to balance Smaug in gameplay without having to reduce his stats to a level unworthy of dragons. All in all it will make him nearly the most expensive hero in-game (after the Necromancer's Tasks), while initially recruitable by AI as well.


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