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Smaug, the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities

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dkbluewizard:
Then what do you propose Dark One, cause I can tell you honestly that

A. Smaug was in fact greedy and didn't want a single coin given to anyone.
B. He was smart but arrogance blinded him, as Aule shows. Smaug showed Bilbo his weak spot without even knowing it was there himself--so that adds to his spur of emotions.
C. Smartness doesn't cover everything, sometimes smartness is foregone for emotions. Read on Smaug vs Balrog for clarification on this statement.   8-|
D. Aule presented a very clear depiction of the character and a canoncially implemented way for the MM to use Smaug. I for one feel it is perfect for what Edain is trying to do with Smaug. So if you have something better, by all means, present it.

Julio229:
Well, what can I say... I LOVE this concept. It even has the names of the abilities being Smaug quotes, which is something I wanted so much!

Count me in favour of this suggestion, Aulë! You truly are a masterful craftsman, as your Valar namesake :)

TheDarkOne:

--- Zitat von: dkbluewizard am 15. Okt 2017, 05:32 ---Then what do you propose Dark One, cause I can tell you honestly that

A. Smaug was in fact greedy and didn't want a single coin given to anyone.
B. He was smart but arrogance blinded him, as Aule shows. Smaug showed Bilbo his weak spot without even knowing it was there himself--so that adds to his spur of emotions.
C. Smartness doesn't cover everything, sometimes smartness is foregone for emotions. Read on Smaug vs Balrog for clarification on this statement.   8-|
D. Aule presented a very clear depiction of the character and a canoncially implemented way for the MM to use Smaug. I for one feel it is perfect for what Edain is trying to do with Smaug. So if you have something better, by all means, present it.

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A. Doesn't depict him as any psychotic here. Any ruler doesn't want to share power if he is not a pathetic weakling. His desire of not wanting to share a single coin is merely a metaphor so to say.
B. No plot armor. He was needed to get killed. I can't imagine a man who can aim with a universal god level precision and power to kill a dragon with a single shot either.
C. Smaug vs Balrog what? An empty line.
D. Like I said, the whole MM faction has units and spells which are used to steal and crush. An eco weakening ability better suits Angmar and I don't know what to repeat, I say this ability is a BS. I do not have to offer something in exchange but I still offered a glimpse of an idea. Rememeber, he does not care about some weapons or garbage so to say. He cares about tons of gold, something extremely precious. Only in this sense he can be greedy.

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Julio229 am 15. Okt 2017, 11:30 ---Well, what can I say... I LOVE this concept. It even has the names of the abilities being Smaug quotes, which is something I wanted so much!

Count me in favour of this suggestion, Aulë! You truly are a masterful craftsman, as your Valar namesake :)

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Thank you very much for you support Julio  :). I count you as in favour. Regarding the quotes: to complete the concept, a proper sound set for Smaug would be the top, such that for example he says "I'm fire, I'm death" just before spitting fire  :)

TheDarkOne: I don't get why you deem the ability non-usable in flight as controversial.
Furthermore, I don't think this ability alone depicts him as a psychopath or mad, it is a bit exaggerated as a definition. If you want you can see the debuff of your eco-system as follow, because maybe the word "steal" I used is not so adequate: Smaug cannot serve you for nothing, such that when you make use of him as defense he will always want something in return. At the same time, when you attack your enemy, he will claim part of the spoils you get.
As for goblin's tunnels: I see them as a chest of treasure and spoils they get, rather that production centers. It not so out of place that they offer a great part of this fortunes to Smaug ;). As a difference with other Eco debuffing in game, this ability would influence only structures near Smaug, to underline that he keep resources for himself, otherwise if it was a general debuffing it would be similar to a tax or something like that, which of course it is not fitting at all.
 I agree with you that is far the most sharp and smart among the creatures of MM (except the word "wise" doesn't sound well for him, I would rather say crafty ), but this doesn't mean he cannot have weak point. his greedy it is probably the only, but also the most relevant of his edges/weaknesses.

 I know that maybe my ability is not perfect, but for now I deem it reasonable and worth to be part of the project. feel absolutely free to propose an alternative/adjustments to "Dragon Sickness"  :). Or, if someone want to craft something starting to your idea is absolutely free to share his/her project.

Again: I'm always glad to discuss and discussions make a concept better :)
As a final note: I would not go too much deeply into details of the plot choices made during the filming of the hobbit,such as how Smaug die in the movie, the shoot precision of Bard, etc etc. , otherwise it could be an endless discussion. Let us concentrate only on the main aspects of the character, eventually comparing the book and the movies on these matters.

TheDarkOne:
Alright, let it be. Better to be cautious but let's see all of this in action first.

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