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Smaug, the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities

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esparado87:

--- Zitat von: AulëTheSmith am 25. Okt 2017, 20:52 ---
--- Zitat von: esparado87 am 25. Okt 2017, 15:04 ---Yeah, about the Smaug being a ring hero AND FLYING WHILE AT IT...

Does't this mean that if Smaug dies on unpassable mountain terrarin or over water then the ring becomes impossible to get (i guess you could wait out for Gollum to take  back the ring...even though it would take some time)?

I think this was the reason why you could not use units/heros with ring on transport boat and Witch King could not fly with the ring in the vanilla game.

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Hi esparado :) welcome to the discussion ;)
I did not think about these issues. Probably also in the 3.8.1 patch there were these issues since Smaug was a ring feature (and he could fly). But,you know, we cannot avoid totally any problem. I don't know what could be a possible solution. Btw, what do you think about the very core of the concept? :)

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All of it except the ring hero thing is good in my eyes, so a Yes from me if the ring hero issue is fixed.

Can Gollum get the ring back on unpassable mountain and water then?
Or does this work only on passable terrain?


--- Zitat von: AulëTheSmith am 25. Okt 2017, 22:55 ---
--- Zitat von: Gnomi am 25. Okt 2017, 21:04 ---If I remember correctly the ring stayed in the treasury in 3.81. So Smaug didn't loose it upon death.
But esparado is correct - this was a reason why Smaug never was a normal ring hero in edain. Also this is a really big issue and not a small problem, which should never be overlooked in a concept. Just imagine you're playing and you can see the ring all the time, but you can't reach it, because it lays 2 meters away in a mountain area. This is just frustrating for every player without much counterplay.

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Hi Gnomi, thank you very much for your feedback :) now I remember. Currently we cannot sadly repeat the same function, due to the new ring system, so...I have no idea how to solve this issue, neither I think there is a way to avoid the drop in not walking regions like water or something else via coding... :(

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Could mayby fix it by having Smaug only crawl when he is a ringhero (give him a drawback for being much stronger or something like that?)
Or the ring makes him so greedy that he always search for more riches on ground..idk.. :P

FG15:
If the ring lands in unpassable terrain, Gollum will get it, but won't be able to move or leave this area anymore.

Also, please could you stop writing double (or even triple) posts.

esparado87:

--- Zitat von: FG15 am 25. Okt 2017, 23:13 ---If the ring lands in unpassable terrain, Gollum will get it, but won't be able to move or leave this area anymore.

Also, please could you stop writing double (or even triple) posts.

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Well, then Smaug cannot be a flying Ringhero for sure then, unless the Edain 3.8 method can be brought back somehow.

Walküre:
Smaug being solely a stationary Ring hero could deprive the concept of half of its true potential, I would say. The dragon were endowed with robust and mighty wings, meant to fly and take him to the highest surfaces of the ether. I'm quite torn side in regards of such a rendition. It's true that the One Ring could render his greed almost unbearable to sustain, resulting in Smaug being unable to fly due to the burden of his longings. That's quite problematic nonetheless.

If the engine makes it feasible, what if Gollum appeared normally in random places of the map, should the hero fall? The evident consequence is that the opponent would find it harder to gain control of the One himself, since he would be forced to slay Smaug first (not a very easy of a deed), and then he would have to go in pursuit of the Ring once again, with the hazard of the enemy finding it before the others. A quite complex dilemma.

esparado87:
Is it possible when Smaug is touching the ring, the ring goes to the building Smaug was recruited from (dragon lair outpost or whatever it will be called)?
This way Smaug will be able to be a Ringhero without losing the ability to fly (for the enemy to take the ring, the building must be destroyed).


The way Imladris gets the Ringhero (Elrond getting the ring transports the ring too the fellowship), is it possible to move the ring to a outpost instead of a herosquad(fellowship)?


Or mayby when Smaug is touching the ring, then a "hero" (goblin builder unit design) can be recruited and that "hero" is carrying the ring very slow because the cart is heavy and the ring is making it even harder.
As long as the Goblin cart "hero" is recruited and alive, then Smaug's dragon sickness ability gets stronger or Smaug is stronger overall.

Could kinda compare this with Lothlorien ringhero system, Smaug = Galadriel(that has no choise) and Frodo = Goblin cart "hero".


The last suggestion might be a bit weird, but it will fix the Smaug flying ring hero problem.

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