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Smaug, the Chiefest and Greatest of Calamities

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Walküre:
It's really good that the proposal has been polished further. I daresay, you are right to focus on the lore of the fire-breathing Worms of the Elder Days and the new effect of Hypnotic Gaze seems quite fair to me, being an accurate representation of what those malicious eyes exactly did (taking control of the victims and stir folly within them). I'm partially sceptical about an aspect, though. A risk that the context entails.

What worries me, gentle Aulë, is the prospect of one's mightiest hero to be simply used and toyed with as a mere puppet of Smaug. Will there be a limit to the ability? A threshold which one cannot go beyond? Ring-heroes of the likes of Galadriel, Gandalf or Elrond ought to be counted out from the list of possible targets of this feature. What do you think about it? Is my concern legitimate?

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: Walküre am 18. Nov 2017, 23:20 ---It's really good that the proposal has been polished further. I daresay, you are right to focus on the lore of the fire-breathing Worms of the Elder Days and the new effect of Hypnotic Gaze seems quite fair to me, being an accurate representation of what those malicious eyes exactly did (taking control of the victims and stir folly within them). I'm partially sceptical about an aspect, though. A risk that the context entails.

What worries me, gentle Aulë, is the prospect of one's mightiest hero to be simply used and toyed with as a mere puppet of Smaug. Will there be a limit to the ability? A threshold which one cannot go beyond? Ring-heroes of the likes of Galadriel, Gandalf or Elrond ought to be counted out from the list of possible targets of this feature. What do you think about it? Is my concern legitimate?

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I sincerely say you, wise Walküre, that you are not at all out of place, because the first conceiving of my ability was exactly what you said. Maybe it would be better if I specify this in the concept  [ugly]. In fact, the complete idea was:

- excluding the ring heroes, because the ring itself has just a very powerful influence on the bearers, such that no other spell or magic of any type can control them.
And yes, maybe some heroes also in non-ring form are not so easy to control, we can discuss about that too.

-another idea, but that one I intentionally did not write because i deem it as a complication for the concept, is the following: when the selected hero is converted, is of course confused because under an hypnotic spell, so that he cannot use his ability: any cool down time of the skills is reset.
Let me know what do you think  ;)

dkbluewizard:
I think Smaug's hypnotic gaze should more stun the heroes from moving. I mean, totally dominating them and controlling them is out of the question as Walkure pointed out. I feel the concept is perfect, but I feel that the hypnotic gaze should possible just stop characters from moving/attacking for a couple of seconds. Put them in a daze or something...

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: dkbluewizard am 19. Nov 2017, 05:03 ---I think Smaug's hypnotic gaze should more stun the heroes from moving. I mean, totally dominating them and controlling them is out of the question as Walkure pointed out. I feel the concept is perfect, but I feel that the hypnotic gaze should possible just stop characters from moving/attacking for a couple of seconds. Put them in a daze or something...

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I thought about that also, bluewizard (it was written in the previous description before I came with the final idea). The fact is that stunning or reducing attack wouldn't be a unique feature, because just other heroes have this skill. Lurtz for example can cripple the enemies for few seconds, but it is a level 1 ability. Here we are talking level 10. So another point is to find something that is not only unique, but also is worth a level 10.
So guys if any of you find something that both is unique and worth an high level, then I'm glad to discuss and eventually modify/change the effect of Hypnotic Gaze  ;)
Otherwise, the only way I see is to introduce some more constrains as Walküre suggested  :)

P.s: another possibility is that one of the Edain team member could unveil us what they meant with hypnotic gaze, this also could make things easier  :D :D

dkbluewizard:
Well based on Edain, I think the Hypnotic gaze was just going to act like Saruman's Wormtongue ability. But like you said, that isn't very unique. I mean, I guess you could have it "cripple" like Lurtz's ability, but as the hero survives they reveal what they know about their faction. As the Goblin Player, you can see the enemies resources, powers, and basically everything about the faction.

This is canonical because it represents Smaug talking to Bilbo and gaining insights into Lake Town, where Bilbo was from, etc.

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