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Mollok - The Troll Chieftain

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Walküre:
It depends on Oak's intentions: is this topic still supposed to showcase a finalised concept? If you all deem it wiser to continue the general discussion around the hero and his own current problematics, I will certainly merge the two threads in a single fold. Let me know.

Besides, I'm glad we're trying to find ideas aimed at the overhauling of seemingly-consolidated heroes, whose potential is awfully impaired by various issues. The community has been very much vocal in regards to Mordor's Troll Chieftain, for a long time. It was about time we came up with some possible solutions :)

OakenShield224:
To be honest, I don’t really see as much of a point to the tank heroes, at least compared to other roles like scout, unit support, hero killer, hero support, mass slayer etc. It works for some heroes like Boromir, Hama and Karsh, but a lot of the time it just leads to heroes being forced into the role (like Glorfindel). Plus, they just don’t really seem as useful as other roles and, when those heroes are useful, it is mainly for other reasons (Thranduil’s leadership and shield wall, Hama’s healing, Boromir’s horn and leadership etc.). I think Karsh is the only one of them who is a mostly “pure” tank and is actually effective at it.

Would you believe me if I said that about ¾ of the development time for this Mollok proposal didn’t actually consider the roles at all? I just thought of abilities based on what worked from him in 4.4.1, and other abilities that fitted with a big troll that was able to take down Aragorn and potentially led the other trolls. It was only afterwards that I made sure that he didn’t contradict the other heroes in Mordor like Witch King and then tried to balance it out. Personally though, I’d rather he focused on the troll leader and disruption mechanics instead of the tank mechanics.

Of course, if you do have ideas that might work for Mollok, I’ll try and include them in someway if others like them as well.

I think most people do at this point appreciate the main issues with Mollok (his vulnerability and his redundancy). This thread was more for a finalised idea, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t be developed further. I do agree on it being time that he gets improved and I definitely believe that he deserves it a lot more than a lot of other heroes.

SP19XX:
My only true concern with giving Mollok a disruption basis is that it is once again redundant in Mordor as the Nazgul and Mouth of Sauron fill these roles as they stand, Mordor is a semi complicated mess when it comes to their heroes, their roles cross far too often but Mordor relies on it due to it's below average unit roster, while Mollok is far too vulnerable, without impacting the game anywhere near as much as the other heroes.

I think in this instance the best possible outcome for Mollok would be for him to become a supporting unit for trolls without all of their usual vulnerabilities with a blend of tenacity against heroes (as the unveiled Witch King is the only direct source of this at present, and requires a minimum of 5800 resources before he is able to hit the field, making Mollok his early game counterpart but with a late game benefit.

Tiberius Ogden:
Troll supporter, but with tank and disruptor aspects, is quite logical, because Gothmog is pure orc supporter and Mollok should correspond with him. Except scouts, who are excluded from Sauron system, Mollok and Gothmog are only two non nazgul/mouth heroes who are linked to Sauron. Gothmog because is his army leader ... but why Mollok? Maybe because he should be also Sauron's army leader, he fought with the king of men after all, so who knows ... maybe he was in charge at the Black gate, like Gothmog during siege of Minas Tirith.

So from gameplay perspective - one is orc leader, second troll leader.

OakenShield224:
Troll Supporter and disruptor/minor tank fits with the abilities I've given him. I've tried to keep him away from the aspects that he currently has simply because they are redundant in Mordor as it is.

With Gothmog and Mollok, I assume they represent an extension of Sauron's growing control over his military forces. One represents his grip on the orcs and the other represents his grip on the trolls.

Would I be able to list you as for the proposal Tiberius or do you have any doubts on it?

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