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Lore Corner - Questions and Debates
Adamin:
Well yeah, I'd definetly say that the identity of the Three Rings owners was an open secret in Middle-earth, at least for two of them.
So there are these two elven retreats, who seemed to be untouched by the fading and well hidden/protected, with two of the mightiest Elves of old as their leaders... What a coincidence!
I think Sauron must've puzzled that one out. ^^
Maybe noone exactly knew it from Elrond or Galadriel, but if you know what to look for, it's pretty damn obvious.
Walküre:
Exactly!
But, you know, Sauron is a genuine curious guy xD
--- Zitat ---I say to you, Frodo, that even as I speak to you, I perceive the Dark Lord and know his mind, or all of his mind that concerns the Elves. And he gropes ever to see me and my thought. But still the door is closed!’
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J.R.R. Tolkien – The Fellowship of the Ring, The Mirror of Galadriel
Linhir:
Hey guys. I had this thought today... what about werewolves in third age? And what it means for Edain? As far as i know, gandalf mentions them once when talking with Frodo. And there was other time when he generalized and used word "beasts".
Also when Theoden was talking about returning to Edoras, he mentions that it was propably taken by werewolves or something like that.
So, according to that, we can speculate that these beasts was still present during third age, and considering where's Edoras... maybe they will be included into MM faction somehow?
Yes Walk, i know that it's not mod dedicated section, but i don't want to make standalone thread just for my considering about this matter, and i think that it can be foundations for just one more discussion about lore. ;)
Walküre:
--- Zitat von: Linhir am 27. Feb 2016, 00:17 ---Yes Walk, i know that it's not mod dedicated section, but i don't want to make standalone thread just for my considering about this matter, and i think that it can be foundations for just one more discussion about lore. ;)
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Why did you address me specifically? :P
If you are interested in lore points, this is exactly the suitable place, as you wrote in your own comment; you can forward possible related gameplay considerations of yours in the appropriate threads that belong to the Edain realm ;)
Well, the real dreadful Werewolves that we have account of are essentially the hideous creatures that Morgoth, and Sauron in particular, created (probably via the corruption of unknown already-existing animals, as the Evil always corrupts and never creates from nothing), gathered and let loose in the darkest regions of Beleriand during the First Age.
Sauron himself was accounted to be their Lord, with even the ability of shape shifting in one of their kind.
Regardless of Sauron's immense power, the most powerful and terrible Werewolf is told to be Carcharoth, personally bred by Morgoth and fierce enemy of our Beren and Lúthien.
It is very likely that immense packs of these creatures were massively used in the War of Wrath against the Host of Valinor, along with every other kind of foul monsters that the Evil managed to summon.
Therefore, this leads us to think that the Werewolves were almost totally exterminated by the end of the First Age, and that their weaker descendants endure as solitary threats in wild lands; unless, obviously, they were bred and used with precise purposes and with evil intentions, as it exactly happened during the War of the Ring or other great conflicts.
Linhir:
Because i know that you like move posts from one threads to another, when there's any reference to other matter than thread. :D
But, returning to the subjects. You only rewritten dry facts that are known, lets use brains for a moment. xD
Do you think that was actual any attack of these beasts around Edoras? And when Eomer returned with his man, there was a battle? Or it was just a hunt for few individuals? How many could there be? It's new race bred by Sauron in third age to grow fear in hearts of enemies? Or it's leftovers from the first age? In our pop culture werewolves are immortal, are Tolkien's beasts immortal too?
Just speak your opinion, not only well known facts. xD
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