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Walküre:
Aren't there precise indications of the exact course of the War of the Ring, provided by the canonical sources? Anyway, yours is a very interesting question  :)

Well, one could wonder whether the general prospect of a total war for the One Ring was envisaged by Sauron long time before, when he took possession of and infested the ruined Dol Guldur, for example. But in a strict factual perspective, I guess a lot depends on the role you want Mordor to be given: if, in fact, you deem the whole war as the conflict and military manoeuvres of Sauron's own forces against the Free People, then it could be legitimate to infer that the War of the Ring started as soon as the implacable military machine of Mordor started to wage pervasive operations (after Isengard was vanquished). Otherwise, were you to consider the general strife of the Good against any single pawn of the Evil, I would say that the war broke out when Sauron was informed that the One Ring had been brought to the Shire.

Chrishedges:
Yeah that's exactly where I'm coming from there are so many points at which you can say the war of the ring began but to define one moment as the start I think is impossible I'd like to add to the list of possible starts being when the white counsel banished sauron from dol guldur as that would be the first direct conflict with sauron in the third age (correct me if I'm wrong) as that was imo the start of the war between mordor and the free peoples in the third age and whether we define the whole war as the war of the ring or just when the ring was revealed to sauron, I know in the books the period between the events of the hobbit and Lotr is called the watchful peace but it was hardly peaceful in the east was it?

Walküre:
You're right. The banishment of Sauron was the first counter-attack of the Free People, even though only the Wise were involved and the deed itself didn't lead to meaningful results, albeit forcing him to unveil his schemes and flee to Mordor (and we know that his 'retreat' was a move he had been planning for long time).

The East of Middle-earth has always been a quite turbulent of a scenario, it's true. I don't know if all the skirmishes that took place between Gondor and the Evil Men were a design of Sauron himself (I think they acted in a quite loose context), but they certainly didn't contribute to render the whole environment in the South more pacific. Moreover, the Watchful Peace is actually a four-century period that started after Gandalf entered Dol Guldur for the first time; that was almost a millennium before the events of LOTR. This very period had already ended with the second return of Sauron in that ruined fortress (about 500 years before the quest of Thorin and his company).

OakenShield224:
I'm not really sure where else to put this, but I guess the current discussions on Sauron in the Lore Corner would be a good start. These articles have a pretty good description of Sauron's thoughts and strategies during the Second and Third Ages. Hopefully, they will be interesting for others to read.

http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/11/12/the-sauron-strategies-footsteps-into-failure/

http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/11/19/the-sauron-strategies-one-war-to-win-them-all-except/

Chrishedges:
Thank you for clearing up the watchful peace for me I didn't quite get the dates I didn't realise Gandalf visited before was that the time he found thrain in the dungeon and got the map and key for erebor? Or did he visit a few times?

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