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ThorinsNemesis:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  6. Nov 2015, 19:25 ---
--- Zitat von: ThorinsNemesis am  4. Nov 2015, 18:08 ---P.S: I like your interpretation of Valinor  :).

Well, if Thranduil's fate is unknown, he may have decided that his people in Eryn Lasgalen needed him, so he may have decided to remain in Middle-earth.
^^DieWalküre, since his fate is unknown, he may have passed into the West. But, since I like to imagine some Elves remained in Middle-earth, I hope he remained to lead his people  :).


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What about his wife?  :)

She may have found Peace in the Halls of Mandos, and, then, reborn and gained back her physical body, to live forever in the Evergreen Plains of Valinor.
So, why won't our Thranduil reunite with his Love to be eternally in the Joy of Valimar, among the Holy Ones?  :)


Even though, if he really decided to reach the Immortal Shores, he would obviously 'lose' any kind of Authority, intended as the Authority that he (and all the other Elven Lords) had in the mortal World.

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Well, it's possible that Thranduil went to Valinor so he could hypotheticaly be with his wife  :).
But, since he was Sindarin and he didn't quite like the Noldor, I just don't find it fitting for his character to accept being subdued to the power of the Valar (after all, he and his father went east as they wished they could go away from the Valar and all the 'trouble' they caused  ;) ).
But I hadn't thought about his wife finding peace in the Halls of Mandos. He could have went west to be with his resurrected wife (or her memory, if she was not brought back to life), and, of course, to reunite with his son, Legolas. But doesn't it also sound logical that Greenwood held many dear memories of his wife, and he couldn't leave them behind (plus there's a whole kingdom of Silvan Elves who rely on him  ;) ).
Don't you think it's still possible he could have remained in Middle-earth?  :)

Adamin:
Is it stated somewhere in the books that Legolas' mother is dead?

I thought that this was a movie idea (though definetly plausible) and that her fate is simply unknown. Which could mean a number of things.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Adamin am 27. Nov 2015, 10:38 ---Is it stated somewhere in the books that Legolas' mother is dead?


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Yes, I too think that it's only an adaptation for the Hobbit films.
As far as I know, there are no references to Legolas' mother in the books.

Anyway, I nevertheless find it very plausible, as you wrote.
The Third Age, especially its second half, was certainly not a very quiet period for the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood, from the 'resettling' in the North of Mirkwood due to the Shadows of Dol Guldur to the bloody battle against the forces of Sauron in the War of the Ring.

I thus believe that the choice of Thranduil being mainly a 'melancholic' character (and, consequently, remarking the element of the pains he suffered and his isolationist attitude) was very wise and proper of the Hobbit trilogy.

Adamin:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  2. Dez 2015, 21:39 ---Lothlórien is a Sindar-based realm, with a solid and ancient Sindarin 'ruling class', of which the Prince Celeborn is the apex.
So, taking for granted that the kingdom of Doriath is definitely the most famous and legendary Sindarin realm in this woodland kin's History, a Sindarin Horn might be the wisest and most conceptual choice, in my opinion.
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This one caught my interest though.

What is the source for Lothlorien having a Sindarin ruling class in the Third Age? I don't remember specifically reading of other (blonde) Elvenlords of Lothlorien, besides Celeborn and Galadriel. Are they appearing as characters in the Lord of the Rings?

I always thought of Galadriel and Celeborn as being the only fair Elves in Lorien.


--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  2. Dez 2015, 21:39 ---While, although a Noldorin Horn for Galadriel could be logically legitimate, it would infer, I guess, that Galadriel is a 'common' political and military ruler of Lórien, as the other Elven Lords, and that the Noldorin warfare tradition is particularly strong and still present in Lothlórien.

Therefore, as I wrote above, Galadriel is indeed the leader of Lothlórien, but she's a very special exception.
The 'Angelic Exception' I explained above  (**)

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Galadriel not being Loriens common political ruler though is something I definetly don't see in the Lore, Val.

I mean: Is there EVER a moment in the books where Celeborn is asked something that didn't go through Galadriel first? xD
Also is Lothlorien ever mentioned without Galadriel as its center?

You said yourself some time ago, that Galadriel is the only thing that keeps Lorien shielded against Sauron. She is actively fighting, even if it's not physically.
Also Galadriel is in the White Council, THE most politicial group in Middle-earth. Celeborns membership is not so sure, and not as relevant.

You might have mixed them up with Thingol and Melian. There I see exactly what you described: The man actively ruling and the woman being the wise, divine power in the background.
Galadriel and Celeborn are very different from that though, because Galadriel is taking the Action and doing Stuff, while Celeborn... not so much.

So while I think you are right with the assumption that Celeborn was the military commander of Lothlorien, the political supreme rule and the image of Lorien are definetly tightly in Galadriels hands.

Adamin:

--- Zitat von: ThorinsNemesis am 14. Apr 2015, 06:19 ---I always wanted to know:
Where exactly is Durin's Folk's dwelling in the Blue Mountains? I found only 3 answers, and they were all different - one stated it was in the Southern Blue Mountains, south of the spur (MERP wiki); another stated it was in the central or southern part of the Northern Blue Mountains, built over the survived ruins of Nogrod (LOTR wiki); and the last location I found was in the Northern Blue Mountains beyond the Little Lune river, a few miles north of Belegost which survived south of the Little Lune (Tolkien Gateway).
Which one of these is true? Or is there a map showing the so called 'Thorin's Halls', the Little Lune and the ruins of Belegost?

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Today I found another hint on the location of Thorins Halls by accident. In case your still wondering... xD


--- Zitat von: Unfinished Tales: III The Quest for Erebor ---"For just as I [Gandalf] was nearing Bree I was overtaken by Thorin Oakenshield, who lived then in exile beyond the north-western borders of the Shire. [...]"

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So our guesstimation seems affirmed by this.

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