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Who is the third most powerful being in the Middle - earth?

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DropItLikeItsDogg:
I think Saruman. He is lord of Isengard and head of the White Council, we all know Saruman the White were the most wisest wizard, and Saruman of many colours defeated Gandalf easily, he created maybe the best type of orcs and catapults IN A LITTLE WHILE, Saruman is more creative than Sauron. Saruman wasn't puppet of Sauron like in films, he wanted ring for himself because he were so explorer.

Adrigabbro:
C'mon guys, Smaug rulz! :D

Sir_Stig:
How is this even a question? Without his ring Sauron definitely isn't the most powerful being. Galadrial is probably the most powerful magic being, Followed by the Witch-King. But if we are talking outright IWillF**kYouUpidness then Smaug takes the cake, A mature winged dragon would have wiped the floor with ARMIES led by the other beings on this list, never-mind 1v1. Earendil had to save the day the last time winged dragons were in a major battle, and that was in the first age when Elves and Men were still essentially at the height of their power. Smaug died because of a prophesy, not because of weakness.

hoho96:

--- Zitat ---if we are talking outright IWillF**kYouUpidness then Smaug takes the cake
--- Ende Zitat ---
This just made my day  [uglybunti]

I think without doubt that Sauron is obviously the most powerful and most feared being since the Second Age with or withOUT his ring (well, the ring is still Sauron himself after all).
The argument of Galadriel holding Lothlórien against everything but Sauron WITH his ring is invalid.
it's true that Sauron was the only force that can overcome Galadriel, but he's able to do it even without his ring.

--- Zitat ---the power that dwelt there was too great for any to overcome,
unless Sauron had come there himself
--- Ende Zitat ---
If he needed the ring to do it, then it's not even a possibility anymore cause the ring is simply not in reach!
Another thing is in Dol Guldur at the time of The Hobbit it was the WHITE COUNCIL (not Galadriel alone) who drove Sauron out if you even call it "driven out".
Even more, sticking to the lore, the White Council didn't even had the chance to confront Sauron! Here's the quote from the appendix:

--- Zitat ---Sauron having made his plans abandons Dol Guldur.
--- Ende Zitat ---

Bottom line is: Sauron IS the "IWillF**kYouUpidness" situation that anyone on S.A. to T.A. Middle-Earth would face  [ugly]

Walküre:
The line of Tolkien about the Hidden Power that dwells in Lothlórien (Galadriel and Nenya) is quite absolute :P No one could have never overcome Galadriel in her own realm without the One Ring.
He tried during the War of the Ring, when the forces of Dol Guldur attacked Lothlórien three times but were repeatedly repulsed by the Magic of Galadriel (that protects and permeates her realm) and the power of Nenya, that preserves the integrity of Lothlórien.

Tolkien only wrote that the White Council attacked Dol Guldur and drove Sauron out of the fortress, it is not precisely written who led the final assault or directly confronted Sauron, or if this very confrontation really took place; we only know that the White Council was there, and so could have been Galadriel, as its most powerful and fundamental member (she established the White Council herself), and that she then could have clashed with a 'weak' and diminished Sauron.
Everything is left to everyone's interpretation, and PJ chose, rightly, to adapt the version in which Galadriel banishes Sauron  ;)
We could have had Saruman confronting Sauron or Elrond leading an army of Elves of Rivendell against Dol Guldur and forcing Sauron to flee; the Tolkien's words can often be perceived as obscure or enigmatic (especially in the Annals), but this is the beauty of Tolkien after all  :)

I explained everything in my previous comment :)

As you rightly wrote, hoho96, the One Ring is deeply tied to Sauron's existence and a very part of himself, having lost it and not having the possibility to use it are a real tragedy for him.
He was defeated at the end of the First Age and kneed to the might of Eönwë and asked for the forgiveness of the Valar; he lost his power, as a Maia, of shape shifting when he lost his body after the destruction of Númenor and lost completely the ability of appearing in a physical form when he was parted from the One Ring.
Sauron has been recollecting his powers and recovering himself during the entire Third Age, but still, when he openly manifests himself, he is at about less than 20-30% of his immense powers; without the One Ring he can't take a physical form and thus confront directly powerful beings like Galadriel or Saruman, he naturally relies on the strength of his powerful armies and strong and evil servants.

Galadriel is a holy being of Valinor, and the representation of the legendary light of the Two Trees through her hair, she can't be defeated by Sauron in her own  realm or in the surrounding woods  ;)

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