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Who is the third most powerful being in the Middle - earth?

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-Mandos-:
I wouldnt take the quote about Galadriel and her forest too serious... I guess any Maia at full power could overcome her magic defenses and breach Lorien. Imagine the Balrog walking into Lorien  [uglybunti]

Nonetheless I would say that Galadriel is definitly among the most powerful, only surpassed by Gandalf the White (who said that he would be able to defeat anyone but the Dark Lord himself or so?) and Sauron.
Even if Sauron lost a lot of his "magical" and physical powers he is still able to control huge armies, to intimidate Saruman and almost take control over middle-earth. For me this is also a kind of power, also an "outsourced" one :D

orkanelf:
wtf Tom Bombadil!!!

-Mandos-:

--- Zitat von: TiberiusOgden am 25. Apr 2015, 17:52 ---I am not talking about Tom Bombadil because with him we are in the completely different dimension.  :o
He is something or someone really unique. My interpretation is that he is the most powerful being but only in his teritory, inside the borders.

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Walküre:

--- Zitat von: -Mandos- am  5. Mai 2015, 23:25 ---I wouldnt take the quote about Galadriel and her forest too serious... I guess any Maia at full power could overcome her magic defenses and breach Lorien. Imagine the Balrog walking into Lorien  [uglybunti]

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I think that it's quite obvious that Tolkien meant that no one could have never overcome her without the One Ring in the specific age that it is the Third Age, leaving thus apart any Vala, Maia or other foul and terrible creatures of the First Age :)
And I would leave apart even the Balrog, because he is a remnant of the Elder Days, a terrible Maia that hid himself after his defeat in the First Age, and he is not supposed to be active and present in the time of the War of the Ring; I think he is an exception, virtually and theorically out from the 'politics' and the balance of powers of the Third Age.
But you are obviously right, since the Balrog is the only Maia at full powers, he could have laid ruined Lothlórien :)

About the line, since the Golden Woods remained a holy and timeless sanctuary, untouched and untainted by any form of evil for more than 3000 years, while the woodland realm of Mirkwood was gradually marred by the gathering evil and got darker and more dangerous, I would totally take that line very seriously :P

Gandalf the White is obviously stronger and more similar to a Maia than his Grey counterpart, but he is still a Wizard, and thus he has heavy restrictions on his powers and memories; if you read my first comment on this thread, you will see that I explained it there better :)

And, by the way, the reborn Gandalf was sheltered and clothed in White by Galadriel herself; it was Galadriel, not an average Hilda Bianca :D

In my previous comments I clearly said that gathering armies and being a terrible and dark leader are obviously multiple meanings of 'Power'; but I am referring to the magical powers of Sauron (the 'modifications' that his essence causes in the World), powers that were mostly lost during the ages of the World.

If you want, I can answer you with the words of Haldir (Tolkien) in the Fellowship of the Ring book, since I recently read again this passage :)

The following words are a synthesis that I made of the words of Haldir :)

When he is accompanying the Fellowship to Caras Galadhon, he talks about the bliss and majesty of Lothlórien and compares this realm to Dol Guldur in the East (where the Darkness has returned, more powerful than ever) and to Mordor itself in the far East; Haldir says that the wills of Galadriel and Sauron clash together from afar (Lothlórien and Mordor) in a sort of 'telepathic' fight, in which the two try to see through each other's minds and plans, and Galadriel succeeds in it, while Sauron not.
In Haldir's words, she is also represented as the embodiment of Light, and Sauron the embodiment of Darkness, and Galadriel is the nemesis of Sauron in the World; Haldir also says that the 'secret' (Nenya) of the strength and bliss of Lothlórien has not yet been discovered.

-Mandos-:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  6. Mai 2015, 01:40 ---Haldir says that the wills of Galadriel and Sauron clash together from afar (Lothlórien and Mordor) in a sort of 'telepathic' fight, in which the two try to see through each other's minds and plans, and Galadriel succeeds in it, while Sauron not.

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Well, you're right about that:)
But again we have to take into account that Sauron isn't fighting Galadriel only (he also has Saruman and Denethor with their Palantiri and is controlling his armies etc.), while Galadriel can focus fully on defending her realm.
And whats about Nenya? Do we just take it as part of Galadriel? Normally a magical artifact like this isnt fair to compare to characters, on the other hand she always has it...

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