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Gandalf The Gray:

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--- Zitat von: korner am 27. Aug 2015, 00:40 ---You got a point in that.
But all the people you mention are some kind of supernatural characters. That´s ok for me.

But if someone "normal" (dwarves don´t have magic powers...) constructs a machine, this machine should be "realistic" and according to physics.


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How are those ballistas not working properly or against the law of Physics?
As LordDainIronfoot has previously written, they must have a sort of anti-arrows net attached to each projectile.
I instead find it a smart and useful way to counter the Wood Elves of Mirkwood, considering how they generally fight, relying on bows and arrows.

It was a very intelligent and strategic idea of Dáin, I honestly have to reckon  :)

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because the rotating blades or net would
- cause a huge air resistance
- cause a momentum against direction of move
which simply would lead to slowing down the projectile and make it drop after some metres.

The main thing about all that (for me) is the differences to the Lord of the Rings trilogy. In that movies nearly everything (besides supernatural creatures like Sauron, Gandalf etc.) was "realistic":
- a Mumakil cannot fly without wings
- a troll cannot jump 100 metres high
- someone who falls down a high wall dies

While in the Hobbit movies there are far too much "unrealistic" things (ballista projectiles, suicide trolls, wyrms, ...) that do not fit to the Middle Earth presented by the LotR trilogy.

My problem is not the action in the Hobbit. My problem is the action in the Hobbit compared to the one in the LotR. It just does not fit together, and it´s still the same world.

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you think too much man  xD :D

LordDainIronfoot:
So korner what is exactly stupid!?The fact that PJ decided to.give the Dwarves some credit and pay a little bit more attention to them by showing that Dwarves are not just brutre strength and love only to drink and fight but also are great blacksmiths and engineers who came.up with such clever invention to counter the main advantage of the Elves!!And I do not see any problem with the physics even in real world there are somilar inventions and I do not see it so problematic or out of place!The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it bad or wrong in any way!
P.S. And it is not  matter of who had been longer on this forum! :-)

Gnomi:
There is a lot of physics in Lotr.
Tolkien always tried to make middleearth realistic. It's the same as in old sages:
You have all of the things you knew from our world... and then you just add something like magic and dragons.
That's everything. You just add some more things, which (if you look at it from the point of view of our ancestors) could be realistic. Therefore physics is really important. Of course those ballistas aren't as unrealistic as many other things... but I personally think that the movie could be good without them and I don't like them at all.
Tolkien tried to make everything logical and realistic.^^ That's something which is really important and is a difference between middleearth and many other fantasy books. And imo this should have been integrated in the movies, as it is one of the most important things in the books which I really like. That's one of the reasons why I don't like most of Legolas' scenes.
In the books no rules of the real world were replaced - just new things added.^^

Additionally for me there was already too much fighting action and too little development in the hobbit movies. Sadly it seems as if the SEE won't change that but will become even more action packed with bombastic scenes, but there is no story and development shown as in the lotr movies. :(

I could write a bit more about the parallels between middleearth and the edda which tolkien used a lot to make my point clear, but I have no time for that atm.
Just a small summary:
Such things are always not made by "normal" people, neither in the lotr, nor in the edda. Those weapons are made either by gods, mythical creatures which have either magical ancestors or  they were made by the other 'god-races'. But Tolkien described the dwarves very similar to the humen, just with some changes, like better drafting and other desires. Similarly as the hobbits are also like humen, but with some small changes.
So I don't think that it fits for them to construct such weapons.

To create such a weapon (which destroys/catches the arrows in the air) you need a very light material which is strong enough to catch those arrows. Additionally the ballistas have to shot it strong enough that the air resistance won't stop them. The only possible thing would be mithril and dwarves would never use that for such a thing. :P
The only other possibility are such fast rotating blades. I'm a bit unsure here, but I think that it is impossible to create such an arrow which rotates fast enough to hit ALL arrows and also flies over a long distance in a direct curve. Especially after hitting the arrows it should never fly further as if there was nothing.

Those weapons were always created by gods or similar creatures. (as written above)
So it would be 'more' okay for me if Saruman would have invented them, but not the dwarves. Again: I have written above why. :P

So I have to say:
I can understand that people like the scenes, but for me I feel more frustration than happiness when I see them. There are some really nice scenes and things I really love in the movies, but when there is about 10% of scenes I like and 90% of scenes I don't like, while the lotr movies had 90% of scenes I like and 10% I don't like, it's difficult for me to enjoy the hobbit as a good middleearth movie. For me (especially the second and third one) is no serious movie as the lotr movies were, but middleearth-cabarett. And even though cabarett is really nice, I don't like it when they wanted to make serious movies. :P

That has nothing to do with "thinking to much", just with a different approach to the movies. Everyone has a different taste and looks at different points. I personally like many of the non-fighting-scenes, but most of the fighting-scenes are really... irritating, unrealistic and boring for me. Other people love those scenes.^^

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Gandalf The Gray:
well dain dwarfs are the best blacksmiths in the books and the movies i think bilbo maid it pretty clear in the auj intro :)

LordDainIronfoot:
So we are talking about 100% correct physics on a world wilhere we have Trolls,Magical Rings and even and Army of Undead Spirits who walk and kill like it is nothing!Are talking about the same.World!? :-)

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