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Gandalf The Gray:
i think the dwarfs can achieve that kind of balisstas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5k3X9huWVg

Fine:
I'm more concerned about where those ballista bolts will land ^^
Do they hit the elven army? That would decimate hundreds. Resulting in... quite a difficult situation. If the dwarfves have just killed many of his soldiers, how is Thranduils still suddenly OK with allying with them?
It's these sort of things that make scenes like this really seem like they were added simply because "it would look cool", and the creators did not really think them through. As others have pointed out, bringing those ballistas would have slowed Dáin's army down quite alot. I agree with many of you that bringing them makes him seem very prepared for fighting off the arrow-heavy elven army, which makes sense.

But I also think the movies do not really do justice to the relation between elves and dwarves in the third age, in my opinion they were alot less resentful towards each other. In the books, Dáin attacks the combined army of elves and Lake-men because he's trying to get the Arkenstone back for Thorin. He did not care what sort of army was holding the stone. I daresay, if the army besieging Erebor would have been a dwarven army (as outrageous as that may seem), Dáin would still have attacked if they refused to return the Arkenstone to Thorin. There are no mentions of conflict between dwarves and elves in the Second and Third Age (iirc), they actually had rather friendly Relations (see Eregion and Khazad-dûm).

Watching the trailer does make me exited for the Extended Cut but I am still sort of disappointed that most new scenes are simply "It looks cool, let's add that!" kind of scenes. But I am very very glad they gave Beorn some more screen time which is great.

LordDainIronfoot:
Well I think it is obvious that Thranduil willuse his Staff to create a Defensive Magical Field around his Army and will vaporize those Ballsit Arrows :D :D :D
Joking aside I too am very curious what happens do those Arrow land which I doubt it will most likely be not presnt in te EE or I think Gandalf could have blowed them away soemhow with his Powers! :)
And I think that we might get a new Entrance scene for Dain or this here is ust for Trailer purposses like it was in the orignal :D :D

korner:

--- Zitat von: CragLord am 27. Aug 2015, 03:00 --- And send some regards to korner when you see him on german part of forum.
Cheers bro

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You can talk to me here as well, no need to go to german section...

The next question about this ballista is:

Do the dwarves actually need this "anti-arrow-ammunition" (no matter if you believe it works or not)??

- bringing those ballistas slows down the army
- dwarves have heavy plate armour
- dwarves have heavy/ big/ thick shields
- dwarves are obviuosly capable of performing a shieldwall, so they´d also be capable of putting their shields over their head like the Romans did
- so there is absolutely NO superiority for the elves with their bows. They can fire a thousand arrows and maybe they´d hit 2-3 dwarves
- even if that anti-arrow-ammunition would work, reloading the ballista would take at least 5 times longer than the elves reloading their arrows, which makes it useless
- IF the dwarves brought those ballistas to battle, wouldn´t it be tactically more efficient to just shoot bolts/ fire bolts on the elven army, to actually have any advantage from the ballista? It´s defensive use is pointless, but offensive it would be usefull...

Like others said: the only use of this ballista is "it looks cool, so we add it - no matter if logical or necessary". And that´s what I personally don´t like, that the movies focus too much on special effects and "cool" features instead of focussing on the plot, the characters, the story.



--- Zitat von: LordDainIronfoot am 27. Aug 2015, 09:02 --- or I think Gandalf could have blowed them away soemhow with his Powers! :)

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I hope this won´t happen... another thing where you´d ask yourself why he doesn´t protect Gondorians from orkish arrows in Minas Tirith or the Fellowship from Goblin arrows in Khazad Dum and so on...

LordDainIronfoot:
So from "It is stupid" and "It is not possible" we have gone to "It is inconvinient" !
For Christ sake just dealt with the fact that it is a MOVIE and some things are made just to look cool and be liekd by the audiance!The same goes t othe Evles jumping infront the Dwarven Shield Wall,was it tacticaly wise no,but was it dramatic and cool looking yes!It is a Movie after all!
And I do not see a problem in bringing those Ballistasas and extra asset to asure victory after al lDain couln't have been sure in against what he will fight when mmeting the Elves and Man,so let's say he took measures to not be taken by surpirse and didn't take any chances,and those Ballistas probably have diffrent type of Ammunitions like oridnary Arrow and Anti-Arrow Net and who knows may be something else! :)
And I am almost 100% that those Ballistas were pulled by Ram pulled War Chariots andnot by Dwarves on foot so they won't be so slowing down this way! :)

P.S. I too hope that it is will not be Gandalf who stops the Arrows! :)

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