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LordDainIronfoot:
Gondor has not pride,Gondor doesn't need pride! [uglybunti] [uglybunti] [uglybunti]
Joke aside,Gondor has more than enough to be proud,being the strongest Kingdom of Men and Heirs if Numenor and being one of the Greatest Military especially after Arnor declining! :-)
They are amazing enough Kingdom without false and forced claiming over things which aren't theirs :)
ThorinsNemesis:
Well, technically the Numenorian realms (Arnor and Gondor) didn't have every main city and fortress in Middle-earth, only Annuminas, Fornost, Weathertop, Minas Tirith, Osgiliath, Minas Ithil, Orthanc, Harlond, Pelargir, Dol Amroth, and Dol Guldur (in movie lore). I realise the Gondorian bastions are already a lot even without Dol Guldur, but the Numenoreans were a very powerful race after all, and having so much influence on Middle-earth is normal imo.
And, as I said, if Dol Guldur was built by evil forces instead, wouldn't people wonder: lol, that fortress looks quite evil, so how come no one suspects an evil entity inhabits it? :P
FG15:
I wouldn't call Harlond a fortress or city, it was only a harbour. And you have forgotten Helms Deep, which was also built by them. Furthermore, I would consider Tharabad as a main city, too.
Also, I don't really get, why the men should build a fortress at Dol Guldur. That doesn't make any sense for me. The fortress is completly inside a forest and there are nowhere nearby any cities or other important places for the Men of Gondor. Besides the fact, that Argonarth being the northern border of Gondor wouldn't make any sense at all.
Being an elven fortress as in the book would make so much more sense (except the design used in the movie).
For me it is the same with Mount Gundabad in the movie, it doesn't look dwarvish at all.
LordDainIronfoot:
It was ruined and abounded before Sauron took refuge there and considering it was formerly Elven Capital it is enough rather than just giving it to Gondor! :-)
Well you basically listed all major Fortress Cities in West with exception of tue Dwarven ones [uglybunti] So you get why I think it is too much to give DG too :-)
P.S. Completely agree with FG15 ,is saw his post now!I think the same! :-)
ThorinsNemesis:
In the books I think that, when Amon Lanc was the capital of Oropher's realm, I always imagined that they didn't build their halls on top of the hill, maybe they made underground halls like the ones Thranduil moved to? Then, when they left their home under Amon Lanc, and the fortress was built atop it, the underground halls were probably used as pits or something like that; at least that's how I imagined Dol Guldur. :)
Dol Guldur may be inside a forest, but it's really huge, and the intention probably was that you could see the Anduin and the Argonath from there (actually I think PJ and John Howe mentioned Dol Guldur as rather being a watch-post that served as a place where the Gondorians had sight of the lands, and if they saw something alarming like an army of the enemy, they would send a signal to the fortresses down the river (maybe in a way like the beacons?)). And also, we don't know when Dol Guldur was built and abandoned in the movies, so we might assume that Argonath was still the northern border before Dol Guldur was built and after it was abandoned (probably some time early during the Great Plague).
An Elven fortress might have been a good choice as well, but since the Sindar and Silvan Elves weren't exactly known for building large fortresses overground (instead choosing the underground caves and small forest settlements) I can't imagine what Dol Guldur would look like if it was Elvish.
About Mount Gundabad, I may be wrong, but I think in the books Mount Gundabad was never a large and important Dwarven fortress like Moria or Erebor, instead it was smaller and I think the Dwarves held meetings there but didn't turn much attention to its architecture or defence like they did with Erebor and Moria. If you mean the red Iron spikes atop the Mountain in the movies, Philippa Boyens talked that when the Orcs took over the fortress they built the iron stuff as their own symbol of power over it; and if you look closely when the gate opens and Bolg's army goes out, you can see withered Dwarven angular marks around the gate, and the inside of the fortress was undoubtedly Dwarvish. It's just that either the Dwarves didn't build anything big on the outside, or the Orcs destroyed it and replaced it with iron.
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