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My thoughts on balance

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Elite KryPtik:
Giving Cirith Ungol units a basic CP cost would not seriously affect the orc spam. Also, I don't know what you mean by the Nazgul debuff being useless, because its DAMN strong. All you need is a little bit of micro to keep them alive, and once they have their armor they can be close to unkillable. Also, I have played games making not much except for basic orcs, and I have pushed my opponent all the way to their base with this strategy, with no support but the Nazgul for debuffs. Finally, you keep bringing the argument back to early game, when my entire argument is based around late game. Early game would barely be affected at all, especially if the team would lower the cp cost of basic free orcs to 30. My point, as I keep stating, is that Mordors ability to get so many extra units late game is not fair, even if the bulk of those are free orcs (which as I've already stated, will almost never be the case with a skilled Mordor player) they are still free, and build at a fairly rapid pace. Basic fairness means that no race should ever be able to field more units than their command points can support, having units cost less CP than other units of that caliber(other elite infantry cost 90-120 CP, elite archers are always 120. I'm saying that the elite units of cirith ungol should cost 60/90 for archers) is a fair way to stay true to Mordor's spammy nature.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Draco100000 am 20. Jul 2015, 22:04 ---
Have you ever  tried get an armie of standard orcs and get them for the entire match ( or at least more than 1 attack- defense) They simply die , make a bit damage and then die, so Ungol make the damage, and the orcs tank the arrows and the enemies. If you look colsely mordor matches, mordor player is the entire match getting free orcs. Why? because they die all the time, so ungol are units who support the hordes and bring you time to their recruitment, so giving ungol cp Cost you will lost your chance to get a very small advantage ( remember that Ungol requires a good planificated economy to get them, they are very expensive). And camon, Nazgul debuffs are nearly useless, you simply kick nazguls using hobbits and normal troops xD. Ungol, in the roleplaying of mordor is vital as well as it is now.

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No, you can not simply kill the Nazgûl  xD
Maybe you are underestimating the problem.
You have no idea of how vicious and treacherous is Mordor; it can use Fear, Poison, and Evil Influences to make your armies suffer and despair, and it also can taint lands, darken the Sky and make you revive the terrible memory of Gorthaur from the Elder Days.
Mordor is really dreadful  :)

The only powers that win the malicious aura of the Nazgûl are the ones that can make yourself or the surrounding units and heroes temporarily invincible; ergo Thorin or Galadriel  :P

Skeeverboy:
Last match you have say to me: Khazad-Dûm are good from the balance, and now you say that the weakest fraction will more weaker? (sry my bad english xD)
When Mordor will be more weaker, it will be the badest faction of all. I think Mordor must be stronger and not weaker. Mordor needs the 0 CP Uruks, because they have no Upgrades.

Elite KryPtik:
I didn't say that veterans are "good for balance" what I said was that they aren't OP if they aren't spammed. Just getting 2 or 3 squads so you can give mithril to your heroes is not a big deal in my view, but I do understand and recognize that they are stronger than they should be when it comes to armor and damage. Either they need to be made harder to get, or have the same method of getting them and nerf their stats.

Also, Mordor is not weak by any means, they are tied with Isengard for strongest faction, but they are the slowest faction to build up by far. Early game and mid game they are a little slow, but late game they are nothing short of a nightmare. Just like right now Rohan is an early game nightmare, and Gondor is a mid game nightmare. Each faction currently is strong at a certain point in the game. Also, I don't understand why you think giving Cirith Ungol units CP will ruin the faction or make it weaker, they used to cost CP and I would get them all the time. All it would mean is a few less worthless free orcs, which is not extremely significant.

Skeeverboy:
At the moment Rohan and Dwarvens are the strongest faction. When Uruks cost CP Mordor has not enough for Orks and Trolls. So Mordor can't use his full potential.

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