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LordDainIronfoot:
My friend the quote Tienity used is the pure evidence that some small numbers of Dwarves or Colonies stayed in Ered Mithrin! :-)
North part of Middle Earth yoy say mate!?Well Ered Mithrin is in North Middle Earth ,well Iron Hills too but from Erebor point it is in the East! :-) And where else in Northern Middle Earth there were Dwarven Kingdoms except Ered Mithrin!?I doubt there were Dwarves in Carm Dum or Angmar ,the only place left is Gundabad Peak but it belongs to the Orcs from thw Ancient Times! :-) So the only Northern Mountains and North from Erebor where could be Dwarves is Ered Mithrin! :-)
Here is a map my friend

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So please show me where other in the the North Middle Earth there can be Dwarves that Thorin refered to!?Except the Ered Mithrin which is in Northern Middle Earth and is North of Erebor itself! :-)
I hope you understand what I mean !
Greetings! :-)

Fine:
I respect your opinion and the friendly tone of it! :)
But to me it seems that the quote is talking about the mountains of the North of Middle-eart, east and west of Erebor - that would be the Blue Mountains in the west, and the Iron Hills (and possibly the Orocarni) in the east.


--- Zitat von: Tienety am  7. Sep 2015, 08:39 --- if any of you are still young and strong of wing, that you would send messengers to our kin in the mountains of the North, both west from here and east, and tell them of our plight.

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It is entirely possible that there were still small holdouts and outposts of the dwarves in the Ered Mithrin, but the quote Tienety provided does not seem to imply that Thorin sent messengers there.

LordDainIronfoot:
Thank you for the polite attitude! :-)
And while I agree that the quote has somehow double meaning and can mean two things ! :-) But you have to agree that while it can mean Mountains of the Northern Part on East and West it can also include the Northern Mountains itself which is Ered Mithrin! :-) And I think those few small colonies would be able to send at least 2 battalions as reinforcement in BFME ! :-)
So the point is that the one meaning doesn't exclude the second one amd I think we both agree that there are some small numbers of Dwarves in Ered Mithrin! :-)

Fredius:
He said both West from here and East. The important part is from here, and North from here lie only the Grey Mountains, not even the Iron Hills because that lies directly to the East. If you take a look at the map, the Grey Mountains are a long range of mountains that reach as far as near Gundabad, so with "both West and East" he most likely meant from the Western point of the Grey Mountains to the Eastern point of the Grey Mountains. Having said that, perhaps the Dwarves were only driven away in the eastern part of the Grey Mountains, but the Western part was still intact? Or they were just spread like little colonies on the mountain range?

Furthermore, this quote might actually prove that the Orocarni Dwarves were contacted as well. "Both west from here and east" he might have meant from the Western point of the Grey Mountains to the East where the Red Mountains are.  This doesn't seem impossible if you ask me ;).

LordDainIronfoot:

--- Zitat von: Fredius am  7. Sep 2015, 13:46 ---He said both West from here and East. The important part is from here, and North from here lie only the Grey Mountains, not even the Iron Hills because that lies directly to the East. If you take a look at the map, the Grey Mountains are a long range of mountains that reach as far as near Gundabad, so with "both West and East" he most likely meant from the Western point of the Grey Mountains to the Eastern point of the Grey Mountains. Having said that, perhaps the Dwarves were only driven away in the eastern part of the Grey Mountains, but the Western part was still intact? Or they were just spread like little colonies on the mountain range?

Furthermore, this quote might actually prove that the Orocarni Dwarves were contacted as well. "Both west from here and east" he might have meant from the Western point of the Grey Mountains to the East where the Red Mountains are.  This doesn't seem impossible if you ask me ;).

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I admit I didn't thought about that as a possibility!! :) But Fredius is absolutely right! :)
There is no 100% specific place pointed as a residence fo the Dwarves in Ered Mithrin which suggests they could have had few Strongholds trough all Ered Mithrin which indeed is quite a long and wide MOuntain Range! :) And even if you think deeper into it what is the point for Thorin to send for Help from Ered Luin,simply put they are too far away to be abel to get there in time ,too long distance so it is pointless! :)
So I agree that the East includes Iron Hills and Orocarni and North being it in West can actually mean West Ered Mithrin after all as I said it is long Mountain Range and it is possible to have still some smal lDwarven Stronghold or even few! :)
Nice argument there Fredius,you really got me this time ;) :D

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