New scout hero for Isengard

[Tienety]

I think that Bill Ferny isn't fit for Isengar as scout. Bill Ferny never fought for Isengard. Also, Bill Ferny is one of the least favorite hero in mod.

i have idea for new more fit scout hero for Isengard:

Mauhur

Mauhur is a small character from the book and movie. He was a standard hero in the old version of edain mod. But now he is only as summon for Ugluk on level 10. I think Mauhur is more fit for scout role in Isengard. After all, he is uruk-hai from Isengard. Bill can stay in mod on special maps or something like this.

Mauhur abilities:

Level 1: Toggle Weapon - Switches between axe and crossbow.

Mauhur has crossbows in old version of mod. This will be something unique for him. if I know no one hero in edain used crossbows.

Level 1: Gather Scent
Mauhur gathers the scent of the hunted enemy.
Mahur and his elite scouts have 200% visition range and 25% speed for 20 seconds.

Level 4: Man flesh
Mauhur smell flesh of enemy hero.
For a short amount of time, the closest enemy hero will be uncovered.

Level 6: Mauhúr's reinforcements
Mauhur temporarily summon four elite scouts with axe.

Level 8: Hunting trap
Mauhur set a Hunting trap to selected area.
If Enemy unit and hero step on a trap, gets medium damage and -15% move speed for 10 seconds.
Trap can have this design:

Of course, Ugluk needs a new ability:

Level 10: Escape from encirclement
Ugluk and his guys fight to the last man and trying to get out form encirclement.
Ugluk and uruk-hai units nearby are immune against knockback and can't be trampling for 15 seconds.

What do you think about this idea? 

[LordDainIronfoot]

I too!Never really liked Bill!He is not so well suited for the role of Isengard's Scout!
The idea of Mauhur to get that roles is much better,he may have small role in Books and Movies but still more suiting for Scout and after all scouts are not the stars,so I think he will fit in that position!
The Abilities you came up with are awesome they are balanced and connected t othe heros role in books and movies!
So over all I agree completely  with your proposal!

[ringbearer]

Honestly , i use him almost every time but i never pay money so he can level up , for me it's just a waste , considering new abilities he gets. And Mauhur , i remmember him from edain mod for BFME1 evil campaign too bad that he is just a summon now. I don't think that he needs a weapon switch, i'm okay with crossbow only . "Mahur and his elite scouts have 300% visition range and 20% damage for 20 seconds." well , isn't 300% too much? it's half of the map maybe it was supposed to be 30% . Other abilities are good i think

[hoho96]

I don't think a damage boost at a level 1 skill is very suitable. as far as I know, barely hero has such an ability :/

Though I would put it as a 200% view range, and a 25% speed increase.
after all speed is more important for scouts XD

[makis89]

Bill Ferry is the scout i never used ... a waste of money in my opinion and never match with the Isengard faction ... better be replaced by Mauhur ..

[Tienety]

Honestly , i use him almost every time but i never pay money so he can level up , for me it's just a waste , considering new abilities he gets. And Mauhur , i remmember him from edain mod for BFME1 evil campaign too bad that he is just a summon now. I don't think that he needs a weapon switch, i'm okay with crossbow only . "Mahur and his elite scouts have 300% visition range and 20% damage for 20 seconds." well , isn't 300% too much? it's half of the map maybe it was supposed to be 30% . Other abilities are good i think

I think that weapon switch is fit for him. If he has only crossbow, he can't destroy buildings. Also, Other uruk scouts have melee attack and weapon switch, so Mauhur will be an easy target only with crossbow.

Mauhur has only "Gather Scent " ability in 4.1.1. You can try this ability in game. He does not reveal half of the map. I just kept this ability, it is fit for his scout role. Maybe Gather Scent needs only small change.

Though I would put it as a 200% view range, and a 25% speed increase.
after all speed is more important for scouts XD

Yes, I agree, probably this is better for him.

[Gandalf The Gray]

i think its an awesome idea

[CragLord]

Nice idea, must say that I haven't play so much with Billy boy, simply because for now I play only vs AI, not yet tried PvP, so I can't speak about benefit of Billy's abilities in general. Of course against AI, I never used him as scout hero.

Like this idea about Mauhur, like selection of ablities, only I found that explosive shoot exotic. I prefer to replace that with some AoE trap ability, which could have stun effect or armour decrease effect or hp decrease effect on all units in general (including heros) or only heroes. Personally think that trap more suits to scout hero than explosive shoot.

P.S. Nice suggestion about Ugluk, that ability fits. You used that book/movie situation with Rohhirim as inspiration, nicely done. 

[Tienety]

Like this idea about Mauhur, like selection of ablities, only I found that explosive shoot exotic. I prefer to replace that with some AoE trap ability, which could have stun effect or armour decrease effect or hp decrease effect on all units in general (including heros)
or only heroes. Personally think that trap more suits to scout hero than explosive shoot.

Yes, maybe explosive shoot is not fit for him, but this is fit for Isengard.
But Lurtz/Grima already has abilities with stun effect or armour decrease effect.
Maybe just change this ability to Fire bolt?

[CragLord]

Yes, maybe explosive shoot is not fit for him, but this is fit for Isengard.
But Lurtz/Grima already has abilities with stun effect or armour decrease effect.
Maybe just change this ability to Fire bolt?

And what about explosive trap?

[Tienety]

And what about explosive trap?

I do not know, maybe if you have some good effect for this explosive trap.

Or maybe something like this with fire:

Level 8: Fire trap
Mauhur shots a few fire bolts to selected small area. Selected areas will burn for short time. Enemy units and heroes move slowly and get fire damage in this area.

[CragLord]

Fire trap sounds like good choice.
Just to be some kind of trap, that is better than any kind of shoot in my opinion.

[LordDainIronfoot]

Well since he is a Scout a trap against strong Against Units will be more fitting that a Shot strong against Heroes I think!

[TiberiusOgden]

Seriously - what is Bill Ferny doing in Isengard?

[Gandalf The Gray]

i dont think Bill Ferny fitt for isengard