New design for the Dwarven units

[LordDainIronfoot]

Well I won't lie,I kinda wanted the Original AUJ Erebor Armor more ,BUT I like quite a lot the Edain Style Armor which represents that time has passed and a lot of time and the King is new! :-)
I think those Amrors are neatly perfect! :-) Only few things I would have loved to see!It is tp have Hip Armor,to use Variation of Axes instead Hammers and Shield for Spearmans!

But all and all I really enjoy the new Look and am thankful to the Team for those awesome designs and the compromise about the Movie AUJ Armor! :-) Thanks you Edain Team! :-)

Greetings! :-)

[Walküre]

I changed the title of this thread, and thus widened the matter involved here.
Now, this thread is officially open as a feedback thread also for the other changes regarding the other Dwarven factions.

Be free to express everything you wish, agreeing, disagreeing, proposing major or minor changes, always within the limits of the rules and common Reason, to keep order and a quiet and constructive discussion 

[Odysseus]

I think the title should be even broader. Lord of Mordor mentioned that it would blend the style of the LOTR trilogy, the Hobbit movies and the books, if I am not mistaken.

[calsash]

Tell us what you think of the Dwarves of Erebor!

I was just expecting the iron hills but this holy mother of the valar this is amazing 10/10 on this one


Now all I need is the misty mountains faction to be released and I can create a battle of azanulbizar mission map that I have always wanted to make

[NetoD20]

Tell us what you think of the Dwarves of Erebor!

I love everything about them visually speaking, they're perfect.
Although I keep getting the impression that Erebor should be the defensive faction (given that their base fortress is EREBOR) and that Iron Hills should be the offensive/attack focused one (given that they immediately sprung into action when called upon to battle in The Hobbit). That wouldn't change much in their looks (given that both factions use heavy armor). The good argument for the current defensive IHs though, is their amazing shield wall in the movies.

[Gandalf The Gray]

agree

[CragLord]

I have just checked new models for Erebor soldiers and I must say that you guys have made a nice compromise again.
It is not easy work to listen all this suggestions, find "strength" to change your old works accoring to them. Congraz because of that.
Nice balance between informations from Lore, Weta designs and your previous color theme.
One question and one suggestion.

I have noticed that you have change design of throwing axe.
Why you have change look of thowing axe? Old one was same as Gimli's throwing axe from movie, and I have found that very reasonable concerning fact that Gimli was from Erebor, and he probably used one of their throwing axes for personal use. So this is only little thing which I don't like, that new look of throwing axe. As I have said this is probably personal opinion which is based on this Gimli axe correlation with Erebor etc.

Now I have seen that you have created new movie banner for IH. Very nice look, and I like it. It is official banner and it will be used in general, so I have to suggest maybe to integrate some mattock crossed with sword on it, or (which is better in my) opinion to create new banner for elite units based on this look.
Simply in movie I have seen somewhere mattock crossed with sword, and from current game situation, I think that banner is the best thing for IH Slaughters. They are elite unit, so they deserve new special banner, and those 2 weapons are exactly same weapons they are using, so this could be nice thing for them.
Simply I think that banner is nice in general case for IH and we should see it in mod somehow.

Best regards,
CragLord

[NetoD20]

Now I have seen that you have created new movie banner for IH. Very nice look, and I like it. It is official banner and it will be used in general, so I have to suggest maybe to integrate some mattock crossed with sword on it, or (which is better in my) opinion to create new banner for elite units based on this look.
Simply in movie I have seen somewhere mattock crossed with sword, and from current game situation, I think that banner is the best thing for IH Slaughters. They are elite unit, so they deserve new special banner, and those 2 weapons are exactly same weapons they are using, so this could be nice thing for them.
Simply I think that banner is nice in general case for IH and we should see it in mod somehow.

Best regards,
CragLord

I agree with CragLord on this, the "communist" banner with the mattock is better. And I have to add, I've already said this in ModDB, it would be great to bring back the runic ribbons attached to the banner.

[LordDainIronfoot]

About Gimli Throwing Axe I actually prefer it to stay only for Gimli,you know he is a Hero so let him have Unique Weapon while the Axe Throwers use their own kind of Axes and I like a lot the new Design of them! :-)

About the Banner well I already suggested something similar on ModDB so it means I like and support the Idea of CragLord! :-)
I think it will be great and unique fitting for the Elite Unit the Slayers ! :-)
And while I really like the new Movie Banner for IHs there is some small thing I didn't like in the Movie too and that is the Small.Green part of it,just seems out of place with all the Red and the Fact thath there is nothing Green in the IHs Faction.I think it should be Red too and if it is possible to make the Red of the Banner slightly Brighter Red like on the Soldiers,the current one seems kinda pale to me at least! :-)

Greetings! :-)

[Adrigabbro]

Tell us what you think of the Dwarves of Erebor!

I love everything about them visually speaking, they're perfect.
Although I keep getting the impression that Erebor should be the defensive faction (given that their base fortress is EREBOR) and that Iron Hills should be the offensive/attack focused one (given that they immediately sprung into action when called upon to battle in The Hobbit). That wouldn't change much in their looks (given that both factions use heavy armor). The good argument for the current defensive IHs though, is their amazing shield wall in the movies.

I do agree with you.
Anyway, those new Erebor soldiers are very beautiful I love them!
The Arkenguard soldiers are the icing on the cake: I think that's the most beautiful model you have done so far. Even though as I said on moddb, I'm a little bit disappointed that Greataxe guardians won't make it. ^^

[Walküre]

I think the title should be even broader. Lord of Mordor mentioned that it would blend the style of the LOTR trilogy, the Hobbit movies and the books, if I am not mistaken.

Good point.
Honestly, I was a bit unsure yesterday whether giving this thread a very general title or going a bit into details.

I eventually opted for a reference to the Hobbit trilogy, as I think that it is one of the main reasons and sources that led to this change, especially if we consider the role of the trilogy itself and the desire that the Community had since the beginning for this change, by looking at these films as models.

However, it's obviously true that other sources can be found too in LOTR and the previous Edain concepts.
'Hobbit-based' was intended more as 'Hobbit-inspired'.

No problem, I modified the title with a general formula 

[LordDainIronfoot]

The New Erebor Elites are awesome,the Armor is magnificent and with those Color Scheme and AUJ Epic Armor and the Details,they are simply Perfect in my opinion!
Great work as always Edain Team for which I am eternally grateful! :-)

Greetings and best regards from the Lord of the Iron Hills! :-)

[CragLord]

About Gimli Throwing Axe I actually prefer it to stay only for Gimli,you know he is a Hero so let him have Unique Weapon while the Axe Throwers use their own kind of Axes and I like a lot the new Design of them! :-)

By words of Adamin, that is Potato-Potata situation.
I just wanted to say, you have a point. On that axe situation we could also look in that way.

About the Banner well I already suggested something similar on ModDB so it means I like and support the Idea of CragLord! :-)
I think it will be great and unique fitting for the Elite Unit the Slayers ! :-)
And while I really like the new Movie Banner for IHs there is some small thing I didn't like in the Movie too and that is the Small.Green part of it,just seems out of place with all the Red and the Fact thath there is nothing Green in the IHs Faction.I think it should be Red too and if it is possible to make the Red of the Banner slightly Brighter Red like on the Soldiers,the current one seems kinda pale to me at least! :-)

Greetings! :-)

I personally don't have problem with current on. I think it could be maybe a bit stronger in color but again I don't see any green parts on current one. It is some dark yellow color in my eyes.


Now I also want to give my feedback on these epic ARKENGUARD units.
This is the best dwarven looking units so far in this mod! I really love it!
Details are amazing on this unit. I also really like new weapons of this unit!
In one part I am sad that old Greataxes will not be part of mod.

I have already suggested separate banner for IH Slaughters.
I also think that current Erebor banner with arkenstone is perfect just for this Arkenguard unit.
(if you will change general baner to raven one for Erebor's units)

Also one question which really bothers me, no matter how much I like idea, look and name of this unit. It is about its name.
From lore we have a very "specific" situation, arkenstone is buried with Thorin into his grave deep under mountain, so, this unit is not guarding arkenstone in time when Dain is King Under Mountain....
Because of that, I would just ask, is this name from lore reasons appropriate?

Best regards,
CragLord

[Adamin]

Well, they are not guarding the Arkenstone itself, they are more like the Arkenstone, a symbol of glory and union for the Dwarves of Erebor. The Arkenguard are the defenders of the royal family, keeping the glorious memory of the Kingdom under the Mountain alive. Because of that they keep their armor unchanged, handing it over like a tradition.

To reflect that, they are modeled after Thrors royal guard from AUJ. Since the regular Soldiers are supposed to differ from the past Erebor, we choose the new Erebor Elite as our Legacy Dwarves.
http://www.caps.media/201/2-the-hobbit/full/the-hobbit1-movie-screencaps.com-315.jpg

[ThorinsNemesis]

Maybe the Erebor Dwarves can get this nice-looking banner from AUJ and the Lego Hobbit game: http://media.moddb.com/images/members/4/3160/3159796/LEGOHobbit_2015-10-09_19-23-57-74.jpg ? I like the golden raven in the middle, along with the golden crown-like details around it. Any chance it can be made the new banner of Erebor's infantry?