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Odysseus:
This is unfortunately not the case. Gandalf's Word of Power only insta-kills unupgraded regular infantry, that's one of the reasons why Edain is currently testing 20% less health on units. Furthermore, there might not be a seemingly direct advantage with the Thunderbolt over the Fireball, but you shouldn't forget that Saruman gets all these abilities together and that makes him perhaps one of the strongest mass slayers in the game since they do not share cooldown and they all add up in the long run.

However, I personally wouldn't mind making the Thunderbolt a bit more powerful or let it have more range. By the time you actually see the Thunderbolt, it has often already lost its impact.

We should wait to see what the team says about this.

Mr.Todd:
Hello, I have some suggestions about Saruman's latest ability.
As you may know, his final ability, "Thunderbolt" is far less powerful than Gandalf's Word of Power" ability. The lightning spell is very powerful but has a small radius and is not worthy of a level 10.
I propose to improve it slightly in different ways:

Heroes struck by the spell lose -25 armor for 30 sec, the surviving units lose -50 armor for 30 seconds. The spell could also be more usefull against structures: the hitten building loses -25 armor for 30 seconds. These are minor changes but I think this spell is too weak at the moment.

Elendils Cousin 3. Grades:
While it may not have the gigantic radius of Gandalf's Word of Power, Saruman's Thunderbolt does a lot more damage. And by a lot, I actually mean a lot - it is four times as powerful(!) without a dropoff, meaning that you oneshot pretty much everything you hit, it does huge damage even to heroes. You can also cast it from range so your enemy can't anticipate it and split his units accordingly. I'd say it's in a pretty good spot right now.

Mr.Todd:
Gandalf's word of power is much more powerful for several reasons: It can kill dozens of units, it can hurt flying units, the spell is practically impossible to dodge.
In addition the spell dammage will be increased further in the next patch, + 100 magic damage for Gandalf the White if I remember correctly.
Saruman won't have any spells bonuses in the next version. The lightning spell is actually very powerful but this huge amount of dammage is not necessary to kill basic soldiers. It can be useful against heroic units but not really against heroes, only very weaks heroes with light armor such Legolas, Beregrond or Faramir will suffer big damages but tanks heroes like Dain or Boromir won't suffer so much.

It is sad because at the moment Gandalf the Grey is more stronger than Saruman the White, to be honest Word of Power should be only available for Gandalf the White, it would be more balanced IMO.

Elendils Cousin 3. Grades:
I never said Thunderbolt was stronger than the Word of Power, I just said it was different. The huge damage may not be necessary for basic soldiers, but if you're fighting upgraded dwarves, elite units, Imladris soldiers, Uruks, ... And if you think it's not useful against heroes, I suggest you take a closer look at it again - nearly oneshotting Galadriel is quite nice if you ask me.

Comparing two different abilities from different heroes from different factions is not a good idea for balancing heroes anyway, because it completely ignores the context of the heroes' faction and the heroes themselves as well. What if I said Saruman's Wizard Blast was stronger than Galadriels stun at level one? Is that unfair to you as well?

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