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Saruman
OakenShield224:
These are interesting suggestions especially the lightning one. One thing I've noticed about the Lightning ability recently is that it deals massive damage where the lightning hits, but all units in a radius around that area are knocked down (which could be just as dangerous in the right hands).
Regarding the Fireball ability, I think the issue is that Saruman is currently a mass slayer, unit interferer (with his Wormtongue ability) and a unit supported (with his Experience power). Giving him a hero killer ability might give him too many roles (which can lead to Brokenshield territory). Someone better at balancing might be able to confirm or deny that properly though.
Gandalf has the Shield Bubble because it is an iconic part of the Bridge of Khazad Dum scene. He would've needed a defensive ability a lot more since he spends his time wandering Middle Earth and encountering the various dangers. Saruman doesn't really have any similar abilities in the books or films. The closest would be his attacks at Dol Guldur in the Hobbit Trilogy which can be represented by his AOE.
Tiberius Ogden:
Saruman spellbook spell costs 6 points:
--- Zitat ---Saruman of Many Colours: Saruman of Many Colours is a puppet of Sauron. Permanently gains +50% magic damage, -25% cooldown on all skills and +1000 lifepoints.
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Gandalf the White only 4 points and additionaly provides +50% greater bonus to Magic attacks in comparison with Saruman:
--- Zitat ---Gandalf now becomes Gandalf the White and gains 100% bonus on magic attacks, -25% on recharge time for his spells and +1000 life points.
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It's pretty unfair. 8-|
I've reworked spells in order to more fit to their characters, still be balanced and yet unique ... :)
Both now cost 5 points:
--- Zitat ---Saruman of Many Colours is a puppet of Sauron. Permanently gains +100% magic damage, -50% cooldown on all skills and +500 lifepoints.
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I've strengthened maggic attack and decreased cooldown of his skills, to make sure that he is formidable and skilful wizard, but he only gains +500 lifepoints (half in comparison with Gandalf, because Saruman isn't known, resilient fighter like his Gondor's counterpart)
--- Zitat ---Gandalf now becomes Gandalf the White and gains 100% bonus on magic attacks, -25% on recharge time for his spells and +1000 life points.
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It's the same.
Elendils Cousin 3. Grades:
Gandalf has already gone up to five spellpoints. The values in our announcements are pretty much never final and might always be adjusted during playtesting^^
I don't know where you got the six points for Saruman though, it clearly says five points in the announcement. And that hasn't changed.
Tiberius Ogden:
--- Zitat von: Elendils Cousin 3. Grades am 23. Jan 2019, 14:51 ---Gandalf has already gone up to five spellpoints.
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Great to hear! But I would little change bonuses for Saruman, too. Gandalf still has better upgrade.
--- Zitat von: Elendils Cousin 3. Grades am 23. Jan 2019, 14:51 ---The values in our announcements are pretty much never final and might always be adjusted during playtesting^^
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I know. xD
--- Zitat von: Elendils Cousin 3. Grades am 23. Jan 2019, 14:51 ---I don't know where you got the six points for Saruman though, it clearly says five points in the announcement. And that hasn't changed.
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Definitely, my mistake, probably I've overlooked it or mistaken with different spell:
AmosVogel:
Dear God, I've arrived too late to the thread, i hope not too late discuss even further this topic.
Yesterday i was playing with Imladris, and the moment Elrond achieved his 'Ancient equipment' thus he inflicts area-of-effect damage, i thought the following for dear Saruman:
This is the current description for the many colored wizard:
Saruman of Many Colours: Saruman of Many Colours is a puppet of Sauron. Permanently gains +50% magic damage, -25% cooldown on all skills and +1000 lifepoints
I think it's just a buff, no more. Only Gandalf the White should recieve free bonuses due to his ordeal; Saruman did had a buff, without any doubt, nonetheless at a price: he broke the light, as Gandlaf said "And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom"; thus Saruman may said about white pages being overwritten so he did gain a buff.
So, what i propose is to give Saruman an area-of-effect damage, but once Saruman of many Colors is purchased, he looses it, and can only perform his current attack.
This should be a subtle but most interesting and unique concept for Saruman, so i dare to rewrite the description and quote dear Tiberius:
Saruman of Many Colours: Saruman of Many Colours is a traitor to both Mordor and the Free peoples. Permanently gains +100% magic damage, -50% cooldown on all skills and +500 lifepoints, but looses his area-of-effect damage
--- Zitat ---I've strengthened magic attack and decreased cooldown of his skills, to make sure that he is formidable and skilful wizard, but he only gains +500 lifepoints (half in comparison with Gandalf, because Saruman isn't known, resilient fighter like his Gondor's counterpart)
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The fact here is -as Mr Needful said to Goldenfold "a price for everything, Mr Goldenfold, a price for everything"- Gandalf got a win/win while Saruman got a win/loose.
Greetings, dear friends
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