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Elite KryPtik:
Just to note for those of you that are interested, the 3v3 game I was talking about has been uploaded to my YouTube channel, feel free to check it out and give your thoughts :)

Leri_weill:

--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 14. Apr 2016, 05:17 ---Just to note for those of you that are interested, the 3v3 game I was talking about has been uploaded to my YouTube channel, feel free to check it out and give your thoughts :)

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Just watched the video, Mordor couldn'tdo anything against Angmar, and Elite is not a noob  xD

Adrigabbro:
So are Ereinion and Dani ; your argument is invalid. ;)

I just watched the video. I won't be nitpicking because it is irrelevant but here are a few reasons why this video does not prove anything:
- You said it at 25:20 and a few times after: Angmar is still extremely strong. (very probably a bit overpowered) I'd say that single point is enough, but let's keep on going.
- Contrary to what you said, you never faced Angmar alone. It was you and Haman VS. red and blue all game long.
- As you said, you are not really used to playing on this map. On the opposite, I have already played against/with Ereinion and Dani, and I believe they know this map better than you. That's another reason why they defeated you. Just check your video again: you left the top completely blank although it is worth one settlement and one outpost. That gotta matter. It really could have been occupied either by you or Rohan.

For real, I could keep on going the arguments but I think you got my point. I am not saying Mordor doesn't need to be de-nerfed, time will tell. I am just saying your video doesn't prove it.

Odysseus:
I still think the biggest asset that makes Angmar so strong is their ability to have access to amazing crowd control and elite units. As Django said, the Carn-Dûm Swordsmen can deal with Mordor's elite units without any upgrades because of their ability to increase their own damage by 50%, which is really good, too good.
Their Pikemen have a toxic, return all types of damage, ability by what...25%? This ability needs to be revised, if you ask me.
Only the Carn-Dûm Rangers seem pretty balanced, from my point of view.

Finally, the Obelisk shuts down Orc spam pretty much instantly, because it has good health/armour, is permanent, and its debuff percentage and debuff range is huge.

The Mordor orc nerf isn't the factor imo, it's that Angmar can shut down spammy builds  really hard, with all their crowd control and AOE abilities.

Although, I am not sure why the Cirith Ungol settlement barrack had its price increased. I think it was fine at 600, but oh well.

Elite KryPtik:
On the contrary, all that I said in my original post is that Mordor can do nothing against ANGMAR, and this video proves that nicely.


--- Zitat von: Adrigabbro am 14. Apr 2016, 14:18 --- So are Ereinion and Dani ; your argument is invalid. ;)
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I am at least on an equal level with these 2, just because theres 4 highly skilled players in the match does not mean that my argumements are invalid.


--- Zitat --- I just watched the video. I won't be nitpicking because it is irrelevant but here are a few reasons why this video does not prove anything:
- You said it at 25:20 and a few times after: Angmar is still extremely strong. (very probably a bit overpowered) I'd say that single point is enough, but let's keep on going.
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First off, that is nitpicking. What I said in game in the middle of the match, while trying to commentate, has no relevance to actual data.



--- Zitat --- - Contrary to what you said, you never faced Angmar alone. It was you and Haman VS. red and blue all game long.
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I did indeed face Angmar by myself several times while Haman was tied up separately with another player, and I faced 1 alone, especially drawing towards the end.


--- Zitat --- - As you said, you are not really used to playing on this map. On the opposite, I have already played against/with Ereinion and Dani, and I believe they know this map better than you. That's another reason why they defeated you. Just check your video again: you left the top completely blank although it is worth one settlement and one outpost. That gotta matter. It really could have been occupied either by you or Rohan.
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Again, if you watch the video and actually listen to what I say, I tell HAMAN to take the top area because I want to take the MIDDLE area, for my outposts crowd control capabilities, which is why it isn't there. I say several times in the video for Haman to get his exile camp up, but the timing never happened for either of us.

If your going to argue so hard against me, please come up with real points next time. Sorry if this sounds cranky, but I just woke up after a terrible sleep : : : :(

Odysseus, as for Dark Rangers, refer to the video where 2 separate Nazgul and Rohan heroes, plus some other cavalry, trample them MULTIPLE TIMES without dealing hardly any damage. They are massively overpowered.

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