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Melkor Bauglir:
First of all, I completely agree with Odysseus on this topic: Isengard just doesn't need this unit.
I am however open to a temporary implementation and as such I really like the idea of them getting summoned by the citadel.

And I doubt that any Numenorans were left in Isengard: Before Saruman took over which was well before he turned to evil (he was just a regular, useless wizard), the dunlendings occupied the ring of Isengard, since it was left unguarded, and all in all there are hardly any real Numenoras left in ME. I guess, since they make such formidable villains (if evil) or formidable generic good guys (if good), they got kind of everywhere over the years of talking about ME.


Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

PS: Basically right, it's "Schlächter" (instead of Schlachter, but that might be, because these letters (ä, ö, ü) aren't used that often in Edain's code), and it means "butcher". Generally, Isengard used to have a lot more Dunlad units (Dunland Guardians (I think they are our unit) and the heroic unit, Dunland giant (not like mountain giant, but like a really big human. LEO translates this via "giant", their german name is "Hüne" for everyone interested. ;))
These units got replaced because they made progressing to new technology with Isengard basically pointless. (During that time, Isengard had a big upgrade, that unlocked all the orcish stuff (Uruk-Hai, siege, upgrades and better wargs).)

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Melkor Bauglir am 26. Dez 2016, 16:49 ---I am however open to a temporary implementation and as such I really like the idea of them getting summoned by the citadel.

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That's what I thought too. One of the sole viable alternatives. This implementation matches greatly with their sentinel/guardian-like connotation.

Regarding Númenóreans, I was certainly not referring to 'pure' Númenóreans themselves, but rather people of a (remote or not) Númenórean ancestry. The White Wizard, if not loved by the people of Middle-earth, was always held in extremely high regard by Elves and Men in particular, who were fascinated by his wide-ranging knowledge on the most diverse matters. Also, before he was given the keys of Orthanc, Saruman had already been appointed as the chief of the White Council, with the authoritative leadership and bounden duty to safeguard the Free People from the Evil. His decision to take Isengard as a stable dwelling could be explained by his will to accomplish his tasks in more effective ways, having the time to collect precious information and gather servants (the fact of disposing of a dwelling/fortress is by itself a symbol of power and authority).

Tolkien Gateway too phrases his arrival in Isengard as a definitive pledge to command the defences of the West, in line with his role. In light of all these elements, I would say it could be well legitimate, were some Númenóreans (whether they descend from a great lineage or not) to serve Saruman and to guard his stronghold. I probably gave a different spin to your words, Melkor, yet I would never really name anything of Saruman as 'regular' or 'useless' anyway. Coming from a not so passionate estimator of Isengard as I am, I easily concede Saruman the acknowledgement of the said important qualities  ;)

Besides, I really like how the development of the thread has progressed. I think we can already propose Fredius' suggestions as an official concept. If you don't have any objection, I would thus proceed with editing the first post of the thread and inserting the final proposal. As with Grimbeorn's Axe, I might translate the concept in German as well, so that it will be presented in the German forum too; it's always desirable to have more back-up from the whole Community  :)

Walküre:
I updated the first post and inserted the official proposal of Fredius. Things should now be much clearer and easier to consult  ;)

Julio229:
Seeing that the For/Against poll has been added to the main post, I think I agree with Fredius' suggestion, so I'm for it!

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: Julio229 am 28. Dez 2016, 01:53 ---Seeing that the For/Against poll has been added to the main post, I think I agree with Fredius' suggestion, so I'm for it!

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Yes, I eventually opted for that typology of survey, which is quite customary in the German forum. I find it really useful for very defined concepts as this one and for insightful discussions; it in fact ensures the debate to progress and ideas to be put forward, along with ordering people's feedback. Polls serve well for wider and more comprehensive themes.

It's great to hear that you agree. I will add your name to the list  :)

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