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Guards of Orthanc

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Lord of Mordor:
Is there actually an official canon source for elite human Orthanc guards? Or were they created by Third Age: Total War? If they did exist in the original story, I agree that could be a good fit for Isengard's heroic unit.

Fredius:
From what I remember in the books Gandalf was taken prisoner by Saruman on top of Orthanc. The guards who arrested him were humans.

OakenShield224:
In the books, Gandalf talks about guards that closed the doors after he came in and made him nervous. I think that, when the hobbits found Saruman's storeroom with the food and pipeweed, they thought it for Saruman and his human guards as it was too good to waste on orcs.

Odysseus:
Do Isengard really need heroic units though? Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but I am genuinely curious. As far as I know, Isengard is overwhelmingly powerful in the lategame, and that is without a heroic unit. The only way I see a place for a heroic unit in Isengard, is if those Guards are spawned by an ability or power when Saruman is garrisoned in his tower and thus mostly serve defensive purposes as Witch-King said. Otherwise, they seem to just be an addition for the sake of an addition, because Isengard has shown itself to be just fine otherwise, with clearly defined powerspikes in the game.

I think Isengard is one of the best designed factions in the mod, so I am reluctant to change things about it. The changes in the spellbook (rightly) nerfed its economic powers, but otherwise, I think the faction is in a solid state and adding a heroic unit would add a factor with a myriad of (potential) balance problems.

Just my two cents.

Walküre:
Under a purely source-based perspective, I can confirm the previous comments. As I too remembered, it is told in the books that Saruman does have human servants at his service, of which some are exactly appointed to guard Isengard or to serve as vicious spies.


--- Zitat ---‘Late one evening I came to the gate, like a great arch in the wall of rock; and it was strongly guarded. But the keepers of the gate were on the watch for me and told me that Saruman awaited me. I rode under the arch, and the gate closed silently behind me, and suddenly I was afraid, though I knew no reason for it.
--- Ende Zitat ---
J.R.R. Tolkien - The Fellowship of the Ring: The Council of Elrond


--- Zitat ---‘They took me and they set me alone on the pinnacle of Orthanc, in the place where Saruman was accustomed to watch the stars.
--- Ende Zitat ---
J.R.R. Tolkien - The Fellowship of the Ring: The Council of Elrond

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