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A possible new Evil Men faction

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dkbluewizard:
To Lordoflinks,

You are right, but I don't think Mumaks would be built in the fortress anyways. Actually, Rhun has come in contact with the Kings Men (Numenor) it is stated they colonized all around the world (coastal ports and other areas). So that is what I was saying, the buildings are like abandoned or well kept Numenor fortresses. But at this point it is just a building.

At the core this is what I would like to see:
1. A Dwarf like system for Harad and Rhun.
2. Many different heroes and subfaction builds for each faction.
3. 3 or 4 Ringheroes

If all of this can be accomplished, I don't care what the initial building is. If they want a Rhun fortress, so be it. To me it doesn't matter as long as the system is like the Dwarfs because both factions are close yet distinctively different enough to be incorporated this way. They are allies then they are not. To me this is the best way and as long as those three methods are met. I am content.

lordoflinks:
Your ideas have merit, but I would caution you against becoming too attached to a Dwarf like system, as it may not be flexible enough for 2 very different fractions such as Harad and Rhun.
At this point without an idea of how possible a Dwarf like system is, I hope a team member weighs in on its feasibility.
I shall pose to you several questions if a Dwarf like system was possible.
1. What would Rhun's outposts be, if Harad got Umbar and Khand? Please suggests something, for I can not come up with ideas.
2. If it turned out both fractions had to use the same fortress, how would Murkamil be handled? If the fortress is not walled it does an injustice to Rhun, and if it is it prevents Murkamil from being built; and Harad has both Umbar and Khand as subfractions so there is not space for a recruitment building on an external plot.
About whether Rhun met Dark Numenorians, I would refute; the area where Rhun lies is landlocked and its on the longitude the DN avoided due to the elves.

dkbluewizard:
lordoflinks

You bring up some very good points.

1. I think the Mumak pin could be built on the settlements along with the Harad farm and mill. The Outpost for Harad would simply be Umbar while Rhun got Khand. If you don't like the idea of Khand being with Rhun (since they are between Rhun and Harad and could go with either one), then I would do a Balcoth or Wainrider outpost.

2. I believe I solved the Mumak problem as they would have to be built outside the fortress. Let's be honest Rhun and Harad would both have fortresses, so I think a generic fortress would be suitable.

Well the King's Men colonized many areas, it is speculation whether they met Rhun or not, we know Harad they've met, so they had to have established trade with Rhun, so...I don't know but like i said. If the coders can do it, then I feel this would be the best option. But as long as the faction of Evil Men are combined and we get 3 or 4 Ringheroes. I am satisfied.

lordoflinks:
In the end I doubt any of these ideas will matter, but I will say this. I do prefer my idea of a single combined fraction, for while it may not take into account the fact Rhun and Harad may have fought, I feel it offers the best function if a Dwarf style system is not possible.
If it is, I leave the proposal of a Dwarf style system to you, as I don't feel like writing a third proposal for the Evil Men, for while I love Rhun; I don't love them that much. 
Feel free to use any/all of my ideas; and I am more than happy to aid in any way. I shall say, I will write up a detailed proposal for Dorwinion.

dkbluewizard:
LordofLinks, that would be great!  :)

I am totally in 100% agreement with you and I hope the community is.

If the Dwarf system is possible, do it a combined way of LordofLinks and Dkbluewizard.
If the system is not possible, then do it totally the way LordofLinks has suggested.

I think both ideas are excellent canonical additions to the game and I think all of us would just love it! Thanks for your input LordofLinks, I look forward to seeing a Dorwinion proposal, I have one already listed, but if you would like to enhance it, I am all for it as you have some darn good ideas!

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