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Upcoming Middle Earth film? – Possible theorised scripts
Walküre:
Ok, I changed the title of the topic :)
Now, it will embrace also our fan-made scripts, not solely related to the Silmarillion (even though this is my primary interest).
Yes, hoho, I too think something valuable could be concretely made about Beren and Lúthien only, albeit understanding that, in this case, a lot of references about the past and current (of that time) setting of the events (Valinor, the Two Trees, the War of the Jewels,...) would be necessarily left out of the plot, or mentioned in a very brief way.
That's why I think a trilogy or saga consisting of long – very long – chapters which will manage to cope with all the said cinematographic issues will be the revolutionary phenomenon of the century's motion picture 8-)
But, we must not lose hope :D
Fine:
I always imagined the story of Tuor (and Earendil) to be a very good possibility for a film adaption. If someone wanted to make a trilogy, the story could be split up like this:
1) The first film would tell the story of Tuor's journey to Gondolin, covering his youth in Hithlum and his travels through Nevrast and Beleriand, with the Orc ambush near the Sirion being the climax of the film. At the beginning, a short prologue about the Nirnaeth Arnoediad could be used to introduce the characters of Turgon and Huor and their fateful connection. The film would end with Tuor being escorted into the Hidden Valley. The main characters would be Tuor and Voronwe.
2) The second film would be about Tuor's life in Gondolin, with the battle and fall of the city being the climax. The prologue could be about Aredhel and provide the backstory for the main antagonist, Maeglin. The main characters would be Tuor, Turgon, Idril and Maeglin.
3) The third film would be about Earendil and Elwing, with Tuor fading into the background. The main character here would be Earendil.
I think those three films would work well as a cohesive narrative and would not require much background knowledge, I believe.
aminetude:
--- Zitat von: Fine am 8. Mär 2016, 10:17 ---I always imagined the story of Tuor (and Earendil) to be a very good possibility for a film adaption. If someone wanted to make a trilogy, the story could be split up like this:
1) The first film would tell the story of Tuor's journey to Gondolin, covering his youth in Hithlum and his travels through Nevrast and Beleriand, with the Orc ambush near the Sirion being the climax of the film. At the beginning, a short prologue about the Nirnaeth Arnoediad could be used to introduce the characters of Turgon and Huor and their fateful connection. The film would end with Tuor being escorted into the Hidden Valley. The main characters would be Tuor and Voronwe.
2) The second film would be about Tuor's life in Gondolin, with the battle and fall of the city being the climax. The prologue could be about Aredhel and provide the backstory for the main antagonist, Maeglin. The main characters would be Tuor, Turgon, Idril and Maeglin.
3) The third film would be about Earendil and Elwing, with Tuor fading into the background. The main character here would be Earendil.
I think those three films would work well as a cohesive narrative and would not require much background knowledge, I believe.
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I like this, very much ! Now we only need a competent director to take up arms and start making the movies :) hahahaha
VectorMaximus:
--- Zitat von: aminetude am 8. Mär 2016, 16:16 ---
--- Zitat von: Fine am 8. Mär 2016, 10:17 ---I always imagined the story of Tuor (and Earendil) to be a very good possibility for a film adaption. If someone wanted to make a trilogy, the story could be split up like this:
1) The first film would tell the story of Tuor's journey to Gondolin, covering his youth in Hithlum and his travels through Nevrast and Beleriand, with the Orc ambush near the Sirion being the climax of the film. At the beginning, a short prologue about the Nirnaeth Arnoediad could be used to introduce the characters of Turgon and Huor and their fateful connection. The film would end with Tuor being escorted into the Hidden Valley. The main characters would be Tuor and Voronwe.
2) The second film would be about Tuor's life in Gondolin, with the battle and fall of the city being the climax. The prologue could be about Aredhel and provide the backstory for the main antagonist, Maeglin. The main characters would be Tuor, Turgon, Idril and Maeglin.
3) The third film would be about Earendil and Elwing, with Tuor fading into the background. The main character here would be Earendil.
I think those three films would work well as a cohesive narrative and would not require much background knowledge, I believe.
--- Ende Zitat ---
I like this, very much ! Now we only need a competent director to take up arms and start making the movies :) hahahaha
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I fully support this, but good luck getting Christopher Tolkien to let you make it! (Course, there's always the nonprofit route, but I would rather have a full scale production for any further Tolkien movies) :D
I also feel like a really good way of doing a Silmarillion movie is having Gandalf, Galadriel and Elrond telling tales of the past ages to Frodo and Bilbo on their trip westward. Have them commentate over the actions occuring most of the time, except in drastic moments such as the Oath of Feanor. This way it would be possible to maintain the more 'commentative' nature of the Silmarillion, rather than a direct story.
Melkor Bauglir:
That's actually funny, because I seem to be the only one who never, ever wants another cinematic realization of Middle Earth. xD "Why?", you may ask with all the rights to do so.
I'd like to point out, that it's not because I fancy the Hobbit trilogie simply as a cinematic desaster -that is indeed true for a variety of very fundamental thoughts, much too numerous to write them down here. However it has actually nothing to do with it, it's something entirely different and I already see the cry of outrage:
I don't think that (from a dramatic point of view) Tolkien's work is that great, apart from (obviously) the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit and to an extent the Children of Húrin. Now, this statement may create a number of bitter enemies, but let me at least try to explain. This will be of course entirely subjective, so I don't expect anyone to follow me with this one.
Tolkien's strength as an author lies in my opinion for the most part (see above) mainly in the complexity of his world. The fact, that his stories stretch out for entire eras involving an enormous cast of people is what makes them truely interesting. It is certainly not for their characters -there are well-written ones, but they appear mostly in the more novel-like books and not in the more tale-like books -which the Silmarillion more or less is. Nearly everyone there is pretty one-dimensional: They have kind of decided what is good or evil, they are brave or a coward and they work on one goal -that's it. The curious think is that, with all this gigantic war going on and numerous things happening technically at the time, it feels extremely linear and more or less (and I can't emphasize enough, that I'm talking about the dramatic way of storytelling, not the effort that was put into this world untill everything worked!!!) dull.
Now this sounds extremely harsh, but I'm sure everyone can agree to a certain extent to points like how there is basically no character motivation (because Melkor / Morgoth decided to be evil (because Lucipher) and so it was) or people / beings were just corrupted by evil without any specific motivation, Feanor's sons becoming absolute madmen about their oath never changing in what was literally centuries or elves and men just merrily sitting for 400 (!) freaking years doing nothing the entire time (apart from fending of two (?) assaults from Angband). Such sloppiness just stands out for me, it's a theme that again returns in the timeline of Dol Guldur when the White Counsil just does nothing -first for the ridiculous time of 960, then again for almost 400 years -I don't have to remind anyone, that Galadriel basically lives around the corner.
These (and believe me, A LOT MORE!) are all points which IMO don't really show Tolkien as a great writer -I literally think that in my circumstances, something just happens without a real cause-and-effect-relation.
Now, please note that this isn't meant as "hating" or not respecting his work. Personally, I see this basically as judging them fairly, because IMO his works are far from being perfect. His abilities to create worlds, fully functional with languages, cultures, bloodlines and their own pantheon, the known devices and so on, together with these three great stories, make him... well, a legend of literature.
This is not for all the mentioned things above, about which I could go on for a while. Again, why does this translate to me not wanting another Middle Earth movie?
It's because I basically think this sage-like stories are simply not coherent or able to be used for cinema! They offer basically nothing from a cinematic perspective and I just can't think about anythink worse then either a trilogy-long (since nowadays everything has to be a trilogy... Long live the mammon.) or something that just looses focus and becomes blurred because too much has to be added in order to work on a cinematic level.
Then I'd rather just enjoy the brilliant LotR-films, laugh about the Hobbit-movies from time to time when I just need complete non-sense delivered with the directors intention for me to care and apart from that "celebrate" Tolkien for what he has done -create a practically unparalleled complex universe. I'm simply not going to praise his works for something they aren't!
Greetings
Melkor Bauglir
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