Mordor trolls - different armor for different upgrade

• Mordor trolls - different armor for different upgrade von Azog The Defiler am 08 Mär, 2016 14:47
• Now in this idea i want to give the trolls a different armor based on which upgrade you choose. The different armors give different bonus relevant to your upgrade.
  
  This would massively improve the use of trolls. Currently its a little too complicated to get the trolls to their full potential. Now you first have to use influence, then upgrade them once and then again.
  The way this usually plays out is that you upgrade them once and then you have alot of other stuff to focus on and often you forget which trolls are upgraded with what. (ofc you can see their weapon, but sometimes it doesnt even show it that well.)
  If there was only one upgrade and the trolls would look different, it would not only improve the gameplay alot, but also the ecxperience of the game.
  
  The idea
  

  Now instead of first upgrading the troll with armor and then the weapon, the trolls get armor based on which weapon they choose, and get different bonuses from each armor. The upgrades now become more expensive and take longer to upgrade but the trolls get more useful in the game.

  
  Armor and weapons
  

  Hammer (Minas Morgul)
  -Armor: Minas Tirith breach armor
  -Bonus: Higher durability against arrows
  
  Mace - Changed to the wooden mace (Dol Guldur)
  -Armor: BOTFA
  -Bonus: Higher durability against spears
  
  Sword (Morannon)
  -Armor: Mollocks armor
  -Bonus: Higher durability against heroes and other single targets

  
  Mollock
  

  Now Mollock is actually a non canon hero, and Mordor already has tons of heroes, so maybe just another mass slayer, or just buff Sauron a little to make him more fun to make up for it. Or this buff of trolls would make up for him.
• #1 von Fredius am 08 Mär, 2016 15:26
• I... actually find this a pretty good idea. I agree that the trolls are kinda too complicated right now, and are imo not really worth the money and time during a match.
• #2 von Hamanathnath am 08 Mär, 2016 16:41
• Definitely an interesting idea, however I do not agree that their weapon should make them have a different armor bonus.  Also, I do not think Mollock should be removed from the game.  He just needs to be improved. 
  
  As for the visuals, I wouldn't mind seeing them in the game, but I don't think the trolls stats should be affected by these visuals. 
  
  Again, if Misty Mountains do get a Dul Guldur unit summon, I'd love to see some of the BOTFA trolls in there.
• #3 von Azog The Defiler am 08 Mär, 2016 19:30
• Its one of the main points to further improve their use, i mean different armor bonus for each upgrade.
  And i dont think MM will be getting such a summon, according to lore they didnt have anything to do with DG, so theres that:/
  But i think this would be the best way to include the epic botfa trolls, a way that actually makes sense improving the gameplay.
  
  But to make the point clearer.
  
  Hammer with Morgul armor bonus vs arrows, cause they are used most when breaching a fortress and destroying buildings, and there will be alot of archers on the wall
  
  Wooden mace with DG armor bonus vs spears, cause they are used in the open, where people often use spearmen to counter you.
  
  Sword with Morannon armor, so you can fight single targets and heroes better.
• #4 von Melkor Bauglir am 08 Mär, 2016 23:25
• Great idea, for the majority!
  The concept actually solves a fair number of (unnecessary) problems trolls have atm, so this is a decent improvement. Granted that we don't know if the BotFA-armor will be included and if at all, for Mordor, but even without it, I like your proposal. (I had actually thought about something like that myself. )
  The only part I don't like that much is a separation between mountain trolls and Olog-Hai, because that would again make the matter more complicated, and also Mollok should definitely stay -he his kind of semi-canon, since he appears in the movie.
  
  Greetings
  Melkor Bauglir
• #5 von Azog The Defiler am 09 Mär, 2016 19:41
• Glad you guys agree!:)
  And yea youre right it would just make it complicated, which is the problem atm..
• #6 von lord_ellessar am 02 Mai, 2016 09:14
• I agree with this idea 
• #7 von Fredius am 02 Mai, 2016 13:20
• Uhm it seems I gave my own twist to the idea on moddb . However what do you guys actually think about this? Quoted from moddb:
  
  

  Zitat

  If you buy the Dol Guldur Armor, the Troll will get a club and increased damage against units. If you buy Morgul Armor, the Troll will get a hammer and increased damage against buildings. If you buy the Morannon armor, the Troll will get a sword and is strong against heroes.
  
  In any case this will solve the problem of having to buy too many upgrades for the Trolls (buy the Troll, then the armor, then the weapon), and as a bonus it will make them compliment each of Mordors realms.

  
  Now the problem with the Morannon armor is that Mollock's unique look won't be so unique anymore . I found a more "stripped" version of his Armor, which should still give Mollock an unique feeling (removing the spikes on his arm guard ofcourse):
  
  

  

  
  What do you guys think?
  
  
• #8 von Azog The Defiler am 04 Mai, 2016 15:21
• Hmm, if mollock wont be removed, i think they should just make another armor for the sword upgrade. There are many options provided from cah.
  
  So either remove mollock and use his armor for the sword upgrade, or just make a new armor from cah.
  If the trolls would get a buff there wouldnt necessarily be that much need for a massslayer hero such as Mollock.
• #9 von Fredius am 04 Mai, 2016 15:37
• Oh my bad, I didn't explain it properly. The armor on the picture I showed was for the sword upgrade troll, not for Mollock. The reason I proposed the armor on that picture is because it kinda resembles a less-armored version of Mollock's armor, which would fit in nicely with the sword upgrade.
  
  But yeah using armor from the CAH is also possible, which one do you prefer?
• #10 von Azog The Defiler am 04 Mai, 2016 16:04
• As i said, i think Mollock should be removed, and his armor used for this purpose.
  
  But since that probably wont happen, i think Cah would be a better way to go
• #11 von MrMef am 04 Dez, 2016 23:38
• I think i might have a good proposal for this:
  instead of making the armors an upgrade, give the troll baracks 2 new units, i always liked seeing mordor as the only faction without upgrades.
  
  Guldur Battle troll: troll armed with Dol Guldur armor and the mace to get the blast radius bonus
  these would have a hight cost since they come fully upgraded
  
  Morgul Olog hai: troll armed with the Minas tirith breach armor, now since this troll is olog hai it can toggle weapons between the hammer and the sword to get different bonuses.
  these would have very hight cost since you also have the ability to toggle weapons.
  
  I think this would work perfectly gameplay aswell as lorewise, wouldnt you agree?
• #12 von The Witch-King of Angmar am 25 Dez, 2016 20:52
• I like your idea, if Dol Guldur's trolls didnt make it to Misty Mountains' spell book then i would support your idea to see more things from the films in the mod and to make the trolls system better, but i think MinathMorgol's torlls and  Dol Guldur's trolls should have something to do with Dol Guldur and Minath Morgol outposts, its not likely that you cant get those trolls out without getting the outposts yet so i think maybe its better if you cant get Dol Guldur trolls without first building Dol Guldur outpost and same thing for Minath Morgol, or you can have them recruitable from the outposts.
• #13 von WarOfTheRingVeteran am 26 Dez, 2016 00:01
• I definitely like this idea
  
  Hehe, I like how you used this as a way to touch on the Botfa armor.. (I'm neutral on that one, just to say!)
• #14 von Julio229 am 26 Dez, 2016 00:13
• I agree with this idea, but I don't think Mollok should be removed. He appears in the movies, and I don't think he isn't needed in Mordor. He needs improvements, of course, but he fits for me. Also, removing him would also mean that only one troll hero (Tom, Bert and Bill) will be available, and Mordor should have a troll hero in my opinion. Buhrdur was removed and Rogash has been demoted to a summon, so removing another Troll hero wouldn't be something I'd be fond of.