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Aragorn and Gandalf the Grey improvements

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Adrigabbro:
To be fair, I'm more concerned about Gandalf than Aragorn. While the latter is present in most MP games and accepted as one of the strongest heroes in the game, the former has yet to be seen. Plus, playing with him is more frustrating than anything else: you get one wizard blast before retreating immediately in the middle of your troops, putting him on defensive stance and waiting for the cooldown. I think Gandalf needs more attention than Aragorn right now.

Hamanathnath:
Concerning Aragorn, I do agree Demand of the King does not fit his Hero Role, BUT it does fit his Character Role, so I don't agree with Elite KryPtik that it should be replaced.  However, I think that Aragorn should get a "Final Stand" sort of Ability, so here is my proposal.

I think that Demand of the King should be a One Use Only Ability.  After its cooldown timer is over, it will be replaced with an Ability similar to the one Elite KryPtik suggested.  I think this is the best way to add an ability like this is because not only does it allow Aragorn to have both Abilities, but it also makes sense because once the oaths of the Oathbreakers are fulfilled, I'm pretty sure lore-wise Aragorn can't just keep summoning them to protect him.  And Demand of the King can be made a little stronger if needed, considering it can only be used once.

But I agree with Adrigabbro.  Aragorn is already one of most useful heroes in the game.  I would say that Gandalf does need more attention right now, but I'll be honest, I can't really think of something that will fix the problem with Gandalf.  His High Risk/High Reward play style was something I would say he always had, so maybe it really isn't problem.   

ziqing:
I basically agree with your concern about Aragorn's role and that now his role in game doesn't represent his experience in lore well. Edain team designed him to be a pure hero killer with almost the best 1 vs 1 ability among heroes of all factions, I assume that's why they refuse to give him any useful leadership for the previous version. I have proposed the idea a long time ago that he could gradually change his role through his path from ranger to king, focusing on hero killing for early stage(ranger and rohan form)and on leadership and tank for late stage(heir and king). So the player will think more and choose whether to let him go to the next stage(since he will lose his hero killer aspect) in one game, depending on the situation.

Previous thread concerning this:
http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31281.0.html

DrHouse93:
So, after having read all your opinions, I'd like to improve my previous concept^^

Aragorn

When Aragorn becomes the Heir and the King of Gondor, he will have a dual role. While on foot, he will remain the hero killer. While on Brego, he will become unit and hero supporter. His skills will therefore be the following ones:

Aragorn the Heir - On foot
- Anduril: same as default
- Athelas: same as default
- Knife Throw: same as default
- Brego

Aragorn the Heir - On Brego
- Glory of the Dunadan: Aragorn is the prophesied returned Heir and King of Gondor. Wielding Anduril, the Flame of the West, forged by the pieces of Narsil, combined with his impressive fighting skills, make him able to face every situation with courage, also inspiring the men following him. Aragorn permanently receives +30% armor, while units and heroes around him receive +15% damage and experience. Passive ability

This ability is meant to show Aragorn's fighting skills and the capability to inspire others due to his backstory and well-known sword, as well as not leaving him vulnerable to enemy heroes
- Athelas
- Final Stand: Aragorn's courage is able to inspire the hearts of the men following him, even if he's leading them to death. For 20 seconds, all friendly units in a wide radius receive +50% armor and become fearless. Aragorn and nearby heroes become invulnerable
- Unmount Brego

King Elessar - On foot

- Anduril
- Athelas
- Knife Throw
- Brego
- King of the Reunited Kingdom: Heroes will now cost 15% less resources and will deal 25% more damage. This buff is also applied to Aragorn. Units will receive a +30% armor boost. Units of the Fiefdoms and from Dol Amroth may be recruited in the Barracks, the Archery Range and the Stable. Passive skill

King Elessar - On Brego

- Glory of the Dunadan
- Athelas
- Final Stand
- Unmount Brego
- King of the Reunited Kingdom: Heroes will now cost 15% less resources and will deal 10% more damage. Units will also receive +25% damage boost, and are fearless. Units of the Fiefdoms and from Dol Amroth may be recruited in the Barracks, the Archery Range and the Stable. Passive skill

This way, Aragorn the Heir/King can be seen in a double view: while riding Brego, his powerful horse from Rohan, he's the leader and the King that Men were waiting for. But Aragorn is before anything an excellent fighter, capable of facing the worst situations, shown when he unmounts Brego and fights his enemies with courage


Gandalf the Grey

As for Gandalf the Grey, a good way to use both of its forms, without forcing the player to purchase the spellbook power, is to use a mechanic similar to the one present in the Hero Submod in the Edain 3.81.

Therefore, Gandalf the Grey will cost 2200 resources, and will have the following abilities:

- Wizard Blast
- Lightning Sword
- Mount
- You Shall not Pass: Gandalf emits a powerful shock wave, which slightly damages and stun nearby units and also inflicts moderate damage to nearby buildings
- Battle of the Maiar: Gandalf faces his final test: he fights a Balrog of Morgoth. This Balrog may be summoned only if there are no nearby enemies, and he will attack Gandalf. He has to defeat him (his skills will reload faster). ALL Nearby units will be terrified by the clash and will not interfere. The Balrog can also be attacked by Gandalf, only. Should he be able to defeat him, he will die nonetheless for the effort and for the wounds, but after two minutes he will return to the closest citadel as Gandalf the White

This represents, to me, a more lore-wise way to show Gandalf's prowess and his return as the White, which is the most powerful rank an Istari may achieve. Also, since the ability can be cast in any moment, it gives the player a more challenging way to upgrade Gandalf: if he summons the Balrog while on lower levels, there's the risk he's not able to defeat him, therefore vanquishing his efforts and having to revive him as Gandalf the Grey (of course, the Balrog will disappear if Gandalf isn't able to defeat him). If he summons the Balrog while on higher levels, he will likely defeat him and get the free upgrade, but the enemy will have gained more time

ziqing:
I like your design, also I am thinking about changing Athelas to "hands of healer" while he is mounted, this would be passive leadership which could protect allies nearby from poison and heal them slowly while not in battle. The idea of yours, in my understanding, is to give Aragorn the role of leader instead of lone warrior while he is mounted, right?

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