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Make Dale great again!

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Radagast der Musikalische:
Don't worry, I didn't take that as disrespect! ;)
I mean, tastes differ and these threads are here to give you the opportunity of presenting your own ideas and opinions on subjects like this.

Ea was right of course: I know about the swap. In the heavy armor state, they wear longer leather tunics, but actually this swap has aesthetic reasons, because it looked dreary and on the other hand very peculiar with the different chainmails.

But you are wrong with statement that a mail is mail. Actually, the sturdiness of chainmails depends on numerous things. Thickness, material and shape of the single elements, the mesh density and of course the workmanship are possibly the most important amongst all. The one beneath the leather tunic is just a light mail with broad rings and small mesh density and therefore provides only a basic protection, whereas the top mail has a more angular shape and a very high density with another material as well.
Furthermore, the dwarves forging art is said to may only be outdone by the high elves of Gondolin.  ;)

Fredius:
Thanks for explaining your reasons for doing that "swap", I understand it now :).

Ofcourse the sturdiness of the mail depends on different aspects, but why should the Men of Dale not be able to make their mail as high quality as the Dwarves? What I actually meant by that statement, is that you can only go so far with making a steel mail shirt as high in quality as possible. If, let's say, two top smiths of both races were handed over a piece of steel of great quality, then I'm pretty sure they would both make their mail about equally strong and sturdy, because at some point you cannot make it better.

However, swapping places or adding another layer of mail should, in my opinion, not define the heavy armor upgrade. Even if the mail is a bit stronger, it is still just mail, and unless there is some mithril inside of it (which I doubt because mithril is too rare for that :P), it won't give that much extra protection. Adding another layer of mail to an already heavy equipment, will lower the fighting capabilities of the Man who wears it. That's why Dain and me proposed to have the leather armor be replaced by steel plates, because that would make the armor more comfortable to wear, but it also gives that extra bit of aesthetic beauty, which you did beautifully with the regular non-HA upgraded warrior, but the HA-upgraded warrior lacks in our opinion.

Also another small reason, the Dwarves themselves get Plate Armor when they are upgraded with HA, but the Dale soldiers do not. It's a bit unfair [ugly]!

When I think about Dwarves "having the best forging art"; in my own interpretation I think of them being able to make magnificent artwork of metal, stone or whatever is presented to them. This means that they also, I believe, have the ability to turn precious metals, like mithril, into something as complicated as armor. This is not what Men are able to do. However, something like mail, which about every race can forge, should not, in my opinion, define the greatness of the Dwarven smiths; they are far greater than that ;). This is ofcourse just my interpretation about the fact that Dwarves are one of the best smiths of Middle-Earth :).

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