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Make Dale great again!

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Garlodur:
I am definitely in favour of the first suggestion, because it makes the outfit have more sense. The mail should be visible before heavy armour is purchased, but after HA is purchased the soldier should wear more plated armour on the chest and belly, as well as showing the mail underneath.

The second suggestion about the helmet sounds great but I don't know if there is enough reason to take a Roman-style helmet because indeed it does not have much to do with the Russian style Weta went with: although I really like the helmet in the concept art, I feel it is difficult to not make it look like a centurion's helmet.
Perhaps a visor could be added to the existing helmet while the beard still shows underneath as a sign of distinction?

I want to add that there seems to ambiguity about the historical accuracy of the armour VectorMaximus posted. See this discussion: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?323353-What-period-is-this-armor-from

Radagast der Musikalische:
Just a little clarification:
It's not like they've taken off their leather tunic and are less armored. They simply wear a close-meshed chainmail armor over it, which is made by the blacksmiths of erebor. You can actually still see the leather tunic at the lower hem. The intention was to establish a connection to the fact that you produce the heavy armor in the dwarven forge.

This is not meant to restrain you from discuss the suggestion anyway!

Fredius:
Hello people, first of all, many thanks for the appreciation and support :)!

Now, it is true that Lake town has many slavic influences on them, but this is not so much the case for Dale. Just look at Dale itself; it's architecture is based on the Italian Renaissance period, and the reason why the centurion helmet influences (note: these are just influences, not the centurion helmet itself) fit in so perfectly is BECAUSE of the Renaissance period. During the Renaissance (the Rebirth) the antiquity rose in popularity, and the Italian people began to value those ancient times again. The antiquity had influence on a lot of aspects in the daily lives of those people, like, for example, architecture, but also the armour of the military. Specifically for the helmets, what I noticed, when I learnt about these times in my history study, is that plums, feathers and brasses became populair to wear again. Look at these pictures for example:







What I like about the helmet which I showed in the suggestion, is that it reflects this Italian Renaissance period quite well. It's not exactly a centurion helmet, but the brasses are pretty much influenced by it. Don't forget that brasses are a trait of commanders, especially bigger ones :P. Also don't forget that Weta's armour is never influenced by just one culture, but it is a mixture of many, so using a fully Rus' helmet does not really fit into a design that is influenced by so many other cultures in my opinion. In any case these are just my two cents though, and I am glad you guys have so many ideas :).

To Radagast der Musikalische; if you look closely at the skin, the position of the leather and the mail have been swapped. Look at the bottom of the skirts of both armours, the non-HA upgrade version shows mail on the bottom of the skirt, after the HA upgrade is purchased, the bottom of the skirt shows leather. Also, even if they did just get another mail shirt over their regular armor, wouldn't that be really uncomfortable? The layers would be distributed like this then:

Man->padding (to make the rest of the armour comfortable to wear)->mail->leather->mail.

Kinda uncomfy right xD? Also mail is mail, doesnt matter how you wind it up, it won't give extra protection just because it's made by Dwarves.

Ealendril der Dunkle:

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Well, Radagast is the one who created the dale soldiers. I think he knows how the textures looks like and whats the intention behind them. ;)
And you have to keep in mind, that our "Dale" is not the one from the epilogue - its the one at the time of the lord of the rings, influenced by own interpretations.

Fredius:
Ah sorry I didn't know that, I meant no disrespect ofcourse, it's great that the one who made the skin has actually commented here xD!

However we hope you understand our points Radagast, and we would love to if you would take this suggestion into consideration :) (ofcourse we're not forcing you!).

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