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Durin's fate in the Edain Mod

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Ectheldir:
This proposal looks amazing! You have my full support with this.
Only one little thing: I really don't like the idea of the ring being used without corrupting the user. I know Gandalf the white also does this, but I do not like it there and he is still the Istari with the strongest mind, not some dwarf. Maybe you could voice it a little different and say that he is instead send on the mission to destroy the ring and discovers his powers in the progress.

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 17. Jul 2017, 21:09 ---In my very personal view, be it clear, the current model exemplifies the utter and otherworldly transformation of the character in Durin, when he finally accepts his real blessed nature as the reincarnation of such a legend. On another side, this would also spare you the need to find other graphical alternatives, being the vision of Edain quite sound for the purpose, although I know for sure that reasonings of this sort kind of kill the whole creative process [ugly]

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Yes if we would simply replace with the old model i will feel a bit as you said Diewalkure  [ugly]. As i said i like very much the old model, it is the best Durin of all mod. But in this case i feel better with something new. And i see the trasformation more "spiritual" than phisical.


--- Zitat von: Ectheldir am 17. Jul 2017, 22:28 ---This proposal looks amazing! You have my full support with this.
Only one little thing: I really don't like the idea of the ring being used without corrupting the user. I know Gandalf the white also does this, but I do not like it there and he is still the Istari with the strongest mind, not some dwarf. Maybe you could voice it a little different and say that he is instead send on the mission to destroy the ring and discovers his powers in the progress.

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it is a delicate issue the one you raised Ectheldir. The fact is, following our idea, it is not simply "some dwarf", but the heir of Durin, forefather and most powerful dwarf of all time. The theme around the refusal it is exactly this: Dain gives the ring to Hannar because only a spirit similar to the first ancestor can control such a power. As for my personal opinion, i would stay with this idea.
Anyhow, if i remember well, not so long ago dkblue himself proposed something about a travel to destroy the ring. Am i right dk?

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: AulëTheSmith am 17. Jul 2017, 23:32 ---As i said i like very much the old model, it is the best Durin of all mod. But in this case i feel better with something new. And i see the trasformation more "spiritual" than phisical.

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You know, we are in the realm of Arda, where magic turns anything spiritual into something very much physical too :D

dkbluewizard:
In regards to Aule and Ectheldir, the resistance of the One Ring, is because of all the Durin's knowledge combined into Durin VII. As discussed, Durin VII bears memories of the Durin's of old and thus the spirits within him allow him to resist the One Ring. This is a plausible technique--I mean think of the accumulating levels of knowledge Durin VII would have. If you follow all the lines of Durin, Durin VII would know the intricate details of the One Ring and the corruptive influence of all evil. Therefore I believe Durin VII could resist the One Ring and travel to destroy it in mount doom in much the same way Frodo and Sam did.

We must ask ourselves this with what is presented:

Does this conflict with the History of Durin VII: NO
Does this timeline conflict with the History of Arda: NO
Is Thorin III's descendant still Durin VII: YES
Does this complicate or dissociate with the Lore: NO

Based on these premises, game balance, and lore effectiveness--I see no reason not to include this fundamental experience to the game as it works effectively and is supported by the lore.

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 17. Jul 2017, 23:52 ---
--- Zitat von: AulëTheSmith am 17. Jul 2017, 23:32 ---As i said i like very much the old model, it is the best Durin of all mod. But in this case i feel better with something new. And i see the trasformation more "spiritual" than phisical.

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You know, we are in the realm of Arda, where magic turns anything spiritual into something very much physical too :D


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Diewalküre, You make the clearest of examples in this case  :D :D.
Sorry if i seem stubborn (like a dwarf  :D) about the design. But i don't feel good in a total variation from the model i proposed, i'm instead open for a good compromise  ;)


--- Zitat von: dkbluewizard am 18. Jul 2017, 06:09 ---In regards to Aule and Ectheldir, the resistance of the One Ring, is because of all the Durin's knowledge combined into Durin VII. As discussed, Durin VII bears memories of the Durin's of old and thus the spirits within him allow him to resist the One Ring. This is a plausible technique--I mean think of the accumulating levels of knowledge Durin VII would have. If you follow all the lines of Durin, Durin VII would know the intricate details of the One Ring and the corruptive influence of all evil. Therefore I believe Durin VII could resist the One Ring and travel to destroy it in mount doom in much the same way Frodo and Sam did.

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Indeed. As i wrote it is not "some dwarf" but the incarnation of Durin, basing on the lore the most powerful of the various heirs (from II to VI).
Dk what do you think about the model variation proposed? 

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