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Shadow of Mordor/War vs Edain canon?

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Odysseus:
Indeed. Games like these are usually a good source for media, but that is about it. I personally believe the ''Shadow of'' games and BFME shouldn't even be compared. They are completely different. If anything of these games would ever be implemented it would have to be based on already pre-existing lore, but the games take way too many liberties with the canon. Some defy the very foundations of Tolkien's concept of his entire legendarium, written in the very first pages of the Silmarillion (Like the Doom of Mandos and Celebrimbor/Talion's wraith shenanigans). You can find enough articles online that debate the validity of the games canonically speaking. Here is an example as to what I mentioned: http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/70777/how-well-does-shadow-of-mordor-fit-into-middle-earth-canon

The canon deviations in the original film trilogy (to draw a comparison) can be forgiven, because most of them are really small and the bigger ones can be counted on one hand. It is also the first time the LOTR trilogy was visualised with modern cinematographic technology, which is why the movies are usually used for visual stuff, instead of straight lore-related stuff.

Both BFME and ''Shadow of'' games are completely different in their own respect, and they both deliver in their own way, seeking a different audience. People that primarily enjoy the visual side of LOTR and Tolkien's universe will probably focus on ''Shadow of'' games, but there are also those that wish to respect Tolkien's memory, and keep the lore deviations to a bare minimum.

So, unless there is a really well-written concept of a specific addition to BFME, working on canonical unclarities or overall doubt, does not straight up conflict with what Tolkien wrote, and truly adds something to the game, like shoring up a faction's weakness or giving players a way to customise their own hero, I predict the games will stay a media source only.

Shadowlord:

Both BFME and ''Shadow of'' games are completely different in their own respect, and they both deliver in their own way, seeking a different audience. People that primarily enjoy the visual side of LOTR and Tolkien's universe will probably focus on ''Shadow of'' games, but there are also those that wish to respect Tolkien's memory, and keep the lore deviations to a bare minimum.

So, unless there is a really well-written concept of a specific addition to BFME, working on canonical unclarities or overall doubt, does not straight up conflict with what Tolkien wrote, and truly adds something to the game, like shoring up a faction's weakness or giving players a way to customise their own hero, I predict the games will stay a media source only.
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I can understand how Tolkien fans can see the "Shadow of" series as a bastardization of the lore and that including aspects of that game could be negative for the Edain mod. Still for the sake of the hypothetical looking purely at some of the original ideas from the game, I would like to ask a question relating to the Edain mod.

Would you guys like to see some of the original species introduced to the Edain mod in the future. Whether as a faction unit or new creeps for the sake of variety. Such Caragors, Graugs, or the new Drakes introduced in the recent Shadow of War trailer.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/middleearthshadowofmordor7723/images/0/04/The_Lord_of_the_Hunt_screenshot_(2).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141030150421

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141205112324/shadowofmordor/de/images/c/c0/Geh%C3%B6rnterGraug.jpg

http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Middle-earth-Shadow-of-War-Screenshot1_1488824795.jpg

As we all know, there are a very limited pool of creeps across the Edain skirmish maps. I personally think it would be cool to see new creatures added to the Edain creep pool for both variety in gameplay and visual appeal. The downside is the lore contradictions that can arise from the inclusion of such creatures but I do note, the Edain team has used creatures introduced on vanilla BFME 2, such as Snow/Hill trolls, and Mountain Giants that have little to no background in the lore. And yes I am aware that the Mountain Giants are getting a redesign.

Regardless would you guys like to see these new creatures in the game as creeps or new units, for example Caragor riders being a unique cavalry unit for Mordor.

Let me know your thoughts

OakenShield224:
Hmm this seems quite interesting. I think these sorts of units should remain as creeps (if they enter the mod at all).

For the other aspects of the game, some of the fortresses could be made into maps. If there is a need for it, warchiefs could be made as a customisable, leadership unit for Mordor (sort of like the Veterans of Khazad Dum but as a single unit rather than a battalion). Other than that, I can't really think of anything else that wouldn't disrupt the lore if it was put in the mod.

Odysseus:
I personally have no objections to visual creep variety. These sorts of ideas have been proposed several times before and the idea has surely not been abandoned. However, when is the question, right? Well, this kind of the thing is obviously at the bottom of the priority list, since it is just visual variety for something that doesn't really last long on the battlefield anyway, but chances are you might see something like this done when Edain is finished. If it ever reaches that point, anyway :P.

If sooner, I guess it would be a funny little surprise.

Captain Jin:
From a lore and consistency focus, I'd be entirely against putting anything from Shadow of Mordor/War into Edain. However, from a gameplay design, it honestly could be very interesting and fun. I could see a submod with a lot of love put in for a Gondorian Outcast faction as being purely a Mordor counter; being able to free men from enemy slave camps, Talion controlling orcs with the Brand ability, making enemy spy units that can be activated like sleeper cells. Definitely could create some new and fascinating gameplay.

Just want to restate, it's entirely noncanonical and almost ridiculous, but some of the material they made is pretty interesting, haha.

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