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Ered Mithrin Overhaul

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Melkor Bauglir:

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--- Zitat ---Apart from that: Doesn't the swordsmen's ability already grant them insane fire-resistance?
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What abiliy are you talking about?
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I vaguely remember that the Ered Mithrin swordsmen had an ability that granted them like +75% armor versus fire, bonus damage and knockback resistance for 30 seconds or something. But I might be wrong about this; if so, nevermind!

@Walküre:
The thing is though, that the general rule of thumb says the following: Is the magic we are talking about more of a subtle manipulation of mind and spirit or a "hard-control" of the laws of nature? If the latter, it probably doesn't work in Middle Earth should we not also talk about an incredibly powerful entity, well experienced in ancient... yadda, yadda, yadda... :D Dwarves definitely do not belong into this category, just as well as fire-resistance of something does not belong into the "subtle manipulation category" as for example the moon runes do!


--- Zitat ---Anyway, I would never discuss the wonders of science with an engineer xD
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Physicist


Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

Fancy Lad School:
They currently have an active ability which enhances their movement speed by 30% for 20 or 30 sec
Thats why I want to change it ^^

AulëTheSmith:

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--- Zitat ---Apart from that: Doesn't the swordsmen's ability already grant them insane fire-resistance?
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What abiliy are you talking about?
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I vaguely remember that the Ered Mithrin swordsmen had an ability that granted them like +75% armor versus fire, bonus damage and knockback resistance for 30 seconds or something. But I might be wrong about this; if so, nevermind!
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In the last Edain version they only have an active ability that make them faster as i know ;)


--- Zitat von: Melkor Bauglir am  1. Sep 2017, 15:14 ---
--- Zitat ---Anyway, I would never discuss the wonders of science with an engineer xD
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Physicist

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He was talking about me i guess  [ugly]


--- Zitat von: Melkor Bauglir am  1. Sep 2017, 15:14 ---@Walküre:
The thing is though, that the general rule of thumb says the following: Is the magic we are talking about more of a subtle manipulation of mind and spirit or a "hard-control" of the laws of nature? If the latter, it probably doesn't work in Middle Earth should we not also talk about an incredibly powerful entity, well experienced in ancient... yadda, yadda, yadda... :D Dwarves definitely do not belong into this category, just as well as fire-resistance of something does not belong into the "subtle manipulation category" as for example the moon runes do!

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Melkor i talk to you as "science colleague": i think instead it belongs to a subtle manipulation cathegory as well. Think about the current rune system: the rune of protection can "streghten" the molecules bonds of the walls and structures in an unnatural way. Now make a similarity with fire: a rune of fire could make the armor unnaturally very resitant against heat conduction, despite we know that in reality metals are very good heat conductors (i.e. very high heat conductivity/heat diffusivity ). Or also magic could create a sort of thin-film with very very low conductivity that covers the armor.
Just to say  :D

Walküre:
Aye, I was referring to Aulë, since I know he's an engineer. And, nay, I don't share your view about magic, lieber Melkor, Herr der Dunkelheit und des originalen Übels. Brace yourself, surprise incoming: I thoroughly disagree with you :D

I wouldn't divide magic in such a manner. It is more a matter of extent, at which the powers of a given being operate and function. In simple terms: the degree of manipulation of reality which one is endowed with. Henceforth, a Vala may move winds and cause storms, the Eldar can come up with the forging of utensils and weapons being able to counter the ferocity of deadly Maiar as Balrogs (or swords sensing the Evil approaching) and to the Dwarves a tiny fraction of magic may appoint to. It is probably a quite intricate of a debate, for the subtler magic is, the more difficult to analyse its own effects and to spot its very presence in whatever art or device. Well, I believe that some kind of incantation lies in the crafting knowledge of Dwarves, which could simply be the fine ability to shape and fashion unknown or uncanny materials, in order to make that superior typology of things. Forging a material which may resist fire an adequate deal (I didn't say that such armoury is to be totally immune) might fall into this lesser category of magic (which Tolkien regards as the influence of one's essence on nature). Just like the special daggers that Men of the North crafted to contest the wicked prowess of the Witch-king.

Cicero64:
Hello there,
although I am reading in this forum for quite a time, I now have registrated to be a part of the ongoing discussions.

It was a fairly long time ago i read the Silmarillion but it just came to my mind that the dwarves of the blue mountains during the first age were the only ones being able to withstand the fire of Glaurung (I think during the Dagor Bragollach).

Greetings Cicero

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