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Elrond - Lord of Imladris

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Tienety:
I think it is a good idea to add Elrond's Last alliance armor to level 10. If I know the his last alliance armor is not used in new version. :(

edit: or maybe Elrond can have Last alliance armor or Guldur armor in Arnor. I had this idea long time ago for new ultimate spell:
http://forum.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,30925.0.html

ziqing:
Dear DieWalküre, I respect your opinions and understanding of Middle earth and all these figures in LOTR. I think it is just we have different interpretations of Tolkien's world, there is nothing in your reply that I haven't read before. I am well aware that Galadriel and her ring is the main reason that Lorien could maintain prosperity and stick near the evil power from Dol Guldor,unlike Mirkwood. That's why I suggest her power to be directly related to the building and economy of Lorien, that's the very foundation of the faction and key to victory. And I agree with every Hymn and praise you have mentioned for Galadriel.

Back to this topic, I hold my previous point because the battle in Middle earth is about swords and shields, when Sauron or even Morgoth want to kill someone, he'd better put on armors and find a menacing mace to smash his target, instead of casting a spell that make his target burning to death; My point is that there is rarely supernatural power involved directly in the battlefield. That means despite all the hymns and mysteries related to Galadriel, if she wants to kill an orc or armored troll, she could only use sword and spear, like her brothers and all other Noldor warriors, Maiar like or not, that doesn't make any difference in battlefield.

About the leader role, just tell me how many battles have Galadriel really experienced, according to the book, despite all the 8000+ years she walks on earth? I only remember two, I don't want to mention there is rarely no record about her during the brutal war in First age. There is rarely any record of her performance in the last alliance, when Gil-Galad died in the dual against Sauron, or any other great wars before the downfall of Dol Guldor, during which for once she overpowered Sauron, when the ring was already destroyed and Sauron already lost all his power, before that Lorien elves could only defend themselves in their own territory.

Once again I want to say I agree with all the praises and hymns you have mentioned and your affection for this character. But this "light queen against Sauron" thing is not well accepted by everyone.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: ziqing am 14. Jul 2015, 00:31 ---Dear DieWalküre, I respect your opinions and understanding of Middle earth and all these figures in LOTR. I think it is just we have different interpretations of Tolkien's world, there is nothing in your reply that I haven't read before. I am well aware that Galadriel and her ring is the main reason that Lorien could maintain prosperity and stick near the evil power from Dol Guldor,unlike Mirkwood. That's why I suggest her power to be directly related to the building and economy of Lorien, that's the very foundation of the faction and key to victory. And I agree with every Hymn and praise you have mentioned for Galadriel.

Back to this topic, I hold my previous point because the battle in Middle earth is about swords and shields, when Sauron or even Morgoth want to kill someone, he'd better put on armors and find a menacing mace to smash his target, instead of casting a spell that make his target burning to death; My point is that there are rarely supernatural power involved directly in the battlefield. That means despite all the hymns and mysteries related to Galadriel, if she wants to kill an orc or armored troll, she could only use sword and spear, like her brothers and all other Noldor warriors, Maiar like or not, that doesn't make any difference in battlefield.

About the leader role, just tell me how many battles have Galadriel really experienced, according to the book, despite all the 8000+ years she walks on earth? I only remember two, I don't want to mention there is rarely no record about her during the brutal war in First age. There is rarely any record of her performance in the last alliance, when Gil-Galad died in the dual against Sauron, or any other great wars before the downfall of Dol Guldor, in which she overpowered Sauron, when the ring was already destroyed and Sauron already lost all his power.

Once again I want to say I agree with all the praises and hymns you have mentioned and your affection for this character. But this "light queen against Sauron" thing is not well accepted by everyone.

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Dear ziqing, probably, with some differences, we are saying the same thing.
I never demanded (you can check all my posts out in this website) an OP concept of Galadriel, making her fight with both powerful spells and sword and armour (even if it were possible), because I am well aware that primarily there are crucial balance and gameplay issues, not to say that we are talking about a game set in the War of the Ring.

If you look at my old EIC proposal in my first comment of this thread, you will notice that it has its roots specifically on structures/defence/settlement of Lothlórien; the point is tying the last power of Galadriel (Nenya) also to the structures/settlement of the faction of Lothlórien (Tree House), not only to be more in line with the lore, but primarily to make you really 'feel' that Galadriel is the leader of the faction, she's a guardian and she's a very characteristic hero that can protect her settlement with her Magic, an innovative power that no hero has so far.
This 'tool' (magical protection of the settlement) was available in the previous Edain Mod 3.8.1 only via an upgrade, but Galadriel, if the concept will be implemented, will be able to personally cast this spell/upgrade as a power of hers, as she will also personally give her Gifts to the heroes in the Edain Mod 4.0 (something that again was only available via the Spellbook as a power).
These are, in my point of view, significant things that define the essence of a hero in the Edain Mod and make you really 'feel' the character, just as the Witch-king is capable of using his mount or his burning sword, or Gandalf using his spells.
These elements were not so evident and present, speaking about her, and that's why she has been radically changed; and it was a decision of the Edain Team, not mine.
They also admitted that, to be the leader of her faction, was not fun nor enjoyable to play with, as if she didn't have a proper position/role to fit in.
I never really asked for a sword or an armour.

About the lore, those were not just hymns or praises of mine, but the very words of Tolkien, that often in the books (even in apparently-inappropriate parts) indicates and refers to Galadriel's might; I didn't make up anything.

Galadriel was not involved, in a relevant way, in battle until the Third Age, but we know precisely that, during her more-than-1000-year permanence in Aman, was personally taught by the Valar (why not also by Tulkas himself) and was, already there, as a young elf-maiden, recognised as the greatest elf-maiden of the Noldor, and named also Nerwen, for her incredible physical strength; and we also know that the standards of the definition of 'being powerful' at that time (Years of the Trees), among those Elves (Royal Family of the Noldor), were immensely higher that the ones of the Third Age.
Galadriel could fight with a sword and an armour in the Third Age, but she can easily avoid to do it, since she has immense magical powers.
Really, they are not hymns, they are solid lore facts and reasons that should help you to understand her real and deep essence and might in the Third Age, and there are many more facts that I could refer to.

Galadriel was born in Valinor during the Years of the Trees and was blessed by the holy Light of the Two Trees (that was forever captured in her hair, giving Fëanor the inspiration for the creation of the legendary Silmarils, the fundamental elements of the First Age and the main reason of the tragic and epic War of the Jewels), she was considered already in Aman as the fairest and mightiest elf-maiden of the Noldor, and one of the mightiest Elf in general; she had been dwelling with the Maiar and the Valar and personally taught by them for more than 1000 years, when she chose to leave Valinor for her legitimate desires of ruling a realm on her own.
She was a scholar of the Maia Melian in Beleriand for almost 500 years, improving her already existing 'telepathic' and mind revealing capabilities; at the end of the First Age she was the only one of the mighty and mythical 'Royal Family' of the Noldor that survived the war and the destruction of Beleriand.
In the Second Age, she decides to remain in Middle Earth to rule some of the remaining Noldor and Sindar, with the permission of Gil-galad, and rejects Annatar (Sauron in disguise), unveiling his ambiguous intentions; but, most importantly, she was entrusted Nenya by Celebrimbor and tied her destiny in Middle Earth to her ring.
After the defeat of Sauron by Isildur, Galadriel was finally able to openly use Nenya (that had definitely begun an essential part of her, the 'item' with which she, since then, would have channeled also her other powers) to establish a timeless and enchanted realm, that endured for more than 3000 years, slowing and almost nullifying the action of Time in Lothlórien for 3 millennia.
In the Third Age she is the only being of Valinor and the remnant of its splendour left in the World, a bright and ethereal Elf that had become matter of the legends of Men and also 'grey' and young Elves of that time; the most similar being to a Maia and the 'de facto' queen of the Elves.
A holy light is more visible and brighter in a dark and disenchanted place, which was Middle Earth at that time.
Anyway, my proposal about Nenya doesn't directly deal with Galadriel's character in the First Age as a Warrior Princess; it would be interesting trying to recreate this concept, but it's not the main purpose of my idea.
WETA made a concept for her for BOTFA, and I think we could look at it as Galadriel in the First Age  :)

ziqing:
So be it, "seeking common points while reserving difference".

Although I do hope her influence on building will be passive and automatic, just like Cirdan's on Lindon watchtower

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: ziqing am 14. Jul 2015, 01:21 ---So be it, "seeking common points while reserving difference".

Although I do hope her influence on building will be passive and automatic, just like Cirdan's on Lindon watchtower

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In my proposal the concept is basically: once you have activated the power, all the units become temporarily invulnerable (just like in the previous Edain Mod 3.8.1), but, this time, if she is next to your Lothlórien settlement, all the settlement will temporarily shine and become invulnerable to every type of attack (especially the ones of the siege machines) and spell.
This is what basically happened in the Edain Mod 3.8.1 when you activated the upgrade 'Schutzbann Caras Galadhons' (Defence of Caras Galadhon, in English); but, this time, Galadriel will personally cast it on units, heroes and settlement (if she is closed to it).
A power that can be used to attack, making your army invulnerable before an assault, or to defend yourself, protecting the settlement.

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