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Galadriel
Adrigabbro:
Good job! I agree with you: the gift ability has to be available earlier.
I would just swap Vision in the mirror and Strength of mind because I think the former abiltiy needs to come sooner, or at least not too late. Why? Because the longer the game lasts the more interesting is this spell: it's a pity to have to wait for a level 7 Galadriel to be able to start clearing the fog, right? Also your analysis on scout heroes is false, in my opinion, because having first a level 3, 5 or 7 Galadriel will ALWAYS give space to scout heroes. :)
Walküre:
--- Zitat von: TiberiusOgden am 14. Jul 2015, 16:34 ---This thread is about all three forms of Galadriel. :)
Normal form of Galadriel has following abilities:
--- Zitat ---- Level 1: Glance of the White Lady - The glance of the White Lady will cause fear at all enemy units in the target area.
- Level 3: Glance in the Mirror - A hero is granted a glance into the mirror. One of three effects will be activated for 90 seconds.
Wisdom (golden insignia): The hero has seen what the future holds for him and made plans to react to it. His skills recover 70% faster.
Strength(green insignia): The hero faces the perils of the future determinedly. He gets doubled armor and doubled attack.
Despair (red insignia): The hero despairs of the burden of his knowledge. He is 30% slower and has -50% armor and attack
- Level 5: Vision in the mirror - Glance into Galadriel's Mirror to see distant places. Clears the fog in designated area permanently.
- Level 7: Gifts of Lorien - Galadriel hands gifts from Lothlorien to a hero.
Thranduil: Gets +15% armor and commands two rows of Palace Guards with his 'Shield-Wall'-Skill.
Legolas: Gets Galadriel's bow which enhances his 'Hawk Strike' and 'Arrow Wind' effectively.
Tauriel: Is permanently capable of wielding her daggers and being protected by guards.
Haldir: Gets a white arrow instead of his golden arrow which will stun all units in wide radius.
Celeborn: Gets a royal armor that improves his defense and attack by +10%.
Rumil & Orophin: Get mighty elven armor that highly enhance their defense but lowers their speed.
Frodo: Gets Earendil's Light which is a light to him in darkest hours.
Sam: Gets the seeds of the golden wood.
- Level 10: Nenya's Protection - The magic of the Elven Ring Nenya infuses the units of Lorien with temporal invincibility. All units in a wide radius are affected.
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http://www.moddb.com/mods/edain-mod/news/the-road-to-edain-40-lothlorien-part-2
... and her role is Hero/Unit supporter and building destroyer. It seems that she is more or less finished, because her concept of normal Galadriel was already presented, but as many users noticed, her abilities are not so effective or conceptual for such expensive hero and main hero for faction, who is ring hero as well. So she is quite important there. xD
We can say that there are problematic three skills:
* Glance in the mirror - there is negative effect for friendly hero and in that case she would be only one hero with such negative effect (except Dwarven greed).
* Gifts of Lorien - they are not so crucial as a Sauron's influence or so effective as Balin's runes in order to be at level 7. Just remind that Sauron's influence is at level three and Balin's runes at level one. So it's quite logical comparison. There is also game play perspective - in reality gift only receive maximally two or three heroes in normal game and then is skill completely useless. I think that level three fits perfectly for them.
* Vision in the mirror - very useful ability (yes, only for multiplayer not against AI) which should be available later like Cirdan's ultimate skill. Because firstly we should give some space for scout heroes. Also if Gifts of Lorien will be earlier - you can firstly use scouts and give them armour through gifts and their role will be gone, but Galadriel can fulfill such role later through skill at level 7. So it's reason why I moved it at higher level.
My new proposal for normal form of Galadriel:
- Level 1: Glance of the White Lady - The glance of the White Lady will cause fear at all enemy units in the target area.
- Level 3: Gifts of Lorien - Galadriel hands gifts from Lothlorien to a hero.
Thranduil: Gets +15% armor and commands two rows of Palace Guards with his 'Shield-Wall'-Skill.
Legolas: Gets Galadriel's bow which enhances his 'Hawk Strike' and 'Arrow Wind' effectively.
Tauriel: Is permanently capable of wielding her daggers and being protected by guards.
Haldir: Gets a white arrow instead of his golden arrow which will stun all units in wide radius.
Celeborn: Gets a royal armor that improves his defense and attack by +10%.
Rumil & Orophin: Get mighty elven armor that highly enhance their defense but lowers their speed.
Frodo: Gets Earendil's Light which is a light to him in darkest hours.
Sam: Gets the seeds of the golden wood.
- Level 5: Strength of mind - Galadriel can explore minds of others.
Effect for friendly hero: Galadriel opens mind of friendly hero and convinces him to continue in journey. His skills recover 70% faster and he is 30 % faster for 90 seconds.
Effect for enemy hero: Galadriel is capable to confuse mind of enemy hero. His skills recover 70% slower and he is 30 % slower for 90 seconds.
- Level 7: Vision in the mirror - Glance into Galadriel's Mirror to see distant places. Clears the fog in designated area permanently.
- Level 10: Nenya's Protection - The magic of the Elven Ring Nenya infuses the realm of Lorien with temporal invulnerability.
I've only "regrouped" some abilities and reworked "Glance in the mirror" - why two mirror references? I think that "Vision in the mirror" is completely sufficient reference for that magical artifact.
We completely forgot that Galadriel is very skilful telepath and she can mentally communicate and even use such skill against enemy.
We have many references in the books:
--- Zitat ---I say to you, Frodo, that even as I speak to you, I perceive the Dark Lord and know his mind, or all of his mind that concerns the Elves. And he gropes ever to see me and my thought. But still the door is closed!'
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--- Zitat ---A black cloud lies often over it of late. In this high place you may see the two powers that are opposed one to another; and ever they strive now in thought, but whereas the light perceives the very heart of the darkness, its own secret has not been discovered. Not yet.' He turned and climbed swiftly down, and they followed him.
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--- Zitat ---'Yes,' she said, divining his thought, 'it is not permitted to speak of it, and Elrond could not do so. But it cannot be hidden from the Ring-bearer, and one who has seen the Eye.
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--- Zitat ---But I cannot see him from afar, unless he comes within the fences of Lothlorien: a grey mist is about him, and the ways of his feet and of his mind are hidden from me.'
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--- Zitat ---And with that word she held them with her eyes, and in silence looked searchingly at each of them in turn. None save Legolas and Aragorn could long endure her glance. Sam quickly blushed and hung his head.
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and movie makers went even further:
Galadriel reaches Frodo's Mind when he enters the Golden Wood (0:45)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbOvoGqraKY
Galadriel sees through Boromir's Mind and tries to encourage him (2:25)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdD6Cte8HrU
Galadriel appears in Frodo's Mind and encourages him (0:45)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UvEVr1MYkg
Galadriel telepathically speaks with Gandalf (2:25)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Eidvq4Frk
Thanks to user DieWalkure for finding these videos and thanks to Tienety for some ideas concerning gameplay perspective. :P
As we know - she will have two automatic primary attacks.
* Primary attack against buildings - the whirl which damages enemy structures. I think that for all forms she should have role of building destroyer, it means that all her forms should be able to attack against structures so the attack should be the same. After all - differences are in the skills.
* Primary attack against normal units/heroes/machines - if she will have whirlwind against structures, I always thought that her both attacks should also correspond and in that case Alatar west wind (whirl with light + knockback efect) fits perfectly for her. Just check Alatar's first AOE attack in the video (0:42):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkw-vblOjJo
Why Alatar's first attack? Because if he will be only in the spellbook for some time, his concept with three winds and five skills is completely useless, so he doesn't need three different attacks for spellbook purpose.
Well, I hope that we will have interesting debate about true hero from Dol Guldur, about Lady of light. xD
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You're welcome, Tiberius, books' quotes and videos are my element ;)
Very interesting analysis, the Gifts of Lórien will be available sooner, making Galadriel immediately 'useful' for your heroes on the battlefield, in line with her role as a Hero Supporter.
I also agree with the changing of the Glance in the Mirror power, there already is an ability concerning the Mirror and possible negative effects can't be acceptable, in my opinion.
The Strength of Mind ability will represent perfectly her formidable telepathic powers, capable of helping the people who need Hope and Courage, and revealing and repulsing the evil intentions of the enemies.
It's possible that her Foresight ability will only be available on level 7, since we are talking about the most powerful ability of that kind in the game 8-)
Galadriel is mainly a Hero Supporter, so, given her pivotal role in the whole faction (Lothlórien and Mirkwood), I hope that the Edain Team will make her abilities really useful and decisive for your heroes; she is the most powerful and expensive hero of her faction, she has to be necessarily fundamental and 'attractive' as all the leaders of the other factions.
Galadriel is the Guardian of Lothlórien and protects her realm (units, heroes and structures) with her Magic and Nenya :)
Regarding her primary attack against units, I hope that she will have her conceptual and characteristic white blast from distance with a knock back effect (as in the Edain Mod 3.8.1); Alatar's previous attack is interesting, a knock back effect from distance, but I don't think she should attack units also with Wind, because she will already use a Storm effect against structures (and the difference of her primary attack is indeed what makes her unique) :)
TiberiusOgden:
I've expanded the first page about her two ring hero forms. Tomorrow I'll post some more comments. :P
Walküre:
--- Zitat von: TiberiusOgden am 8. Aug 2015, 22:15 ---I've expanded the first page about her two ring hero forms. Tomorrow I'll post some more comments. :P
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I like very much the concept of Blessed Galadriel, the fact that she gives resistance to Magic will make her really unique among the other Hero Supporters :)
But, I must tell you, I definitely like more 'Memories of Laurelin and Telperion' than 'Light of Eärendil' ;)
When Galadriel refuses the One Ring, she accepts her Destiny and she is more than ever closed to Valinor, emanating its Splendour (captured in her legendary hair).
The Two Trees of Valinor are the source of all the Splendour and Sorrows of the Ancient Times, source of the Silmarils and of the Sun and the Moon.
LAURELIN and TELPERION are EVERYTHING (by the way, the City in the background must be Valimar) (**)
CragLord:
Tiberius, your analysis/thread is one of the best I have ever read (if not the best).
My absolyte support, keep polishing this idea/topic. :)
Can't wait for that mini upgrades. :P ;)
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