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Gondor cavalry is truely better than Rohan cavalry. And some outpost ideas

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Elite KryPtik:
Pikes doing low damage? Are you nuts? Maybe Mordor pikes and Rohan Farmhands, but Gondor, Isengard and especially Dwarf pikes rip cavalry to shreds, especially once they have upgrades. Rohirrim of the Eastfold can put up a decent fight, but without the incredible leaderships provided by Rohans heroes they wouldn't be able to win.

Gondor Knights do not beat Royal guards 1v1, only Knights of Dol Amroth can do that.

Imrahils Leaderships only apply to units of Dol Amroth and the fiefdoms, so they do not effect normal Gondor Knights, they only get the +25% damage buff provided by the Dol Amroth Knights and Faramirs leadership, and Aragorn can give fearlessness once he reaches level 10. Now lets list the leaderships and positive effects that Rohan cavalry gets, to compliment the already frightening size of their cavalry force:

Rohirrim of the Eastfold have a default formation which makes them immune to crush revenge damage, and gives +30% damage and +15% armor.
Théoden gives +25% damage and armor and fearlessness.
All the Captains of Rohan from the Assembly Point give fearlessness.
Gamlings Peasant Summon gives +20% damage and armor.
Gamling can heal each battalion of 1 unit once he gets level 7.
Hama has a constant passive heal out of combat for all nearby allies.
Elfhelm has a fast recharging heal ability.
Eomer gives resources for kills to nearby rohirrim, Memorial at level 7 gives +20% damage while debuffing enemies.

Now do you see what I mean about Rohan's leaderships? Add all of this to the cheap cost in resources and CP, and the Breeding Horses spellbook power, and you end up with an absolutely insane force that can be quickly assembled, and kill any other cavalry force and kill pretty much anything except elite pikes. They are fine as they are, they do not need a buff.

Rohan's infantry can't stand up to Gondor's infantry huh? I wonder why it is that my peasant spam always beats Gondor then, hmmm....

I have used Gondor knights plenty of times myself, and I know for a fact they do not trample as good as Rohirrim, and pikes kill them just as fast as Rohirrim, in fact faster. Rohirrim of the Eastfold slaughter pikes if you use them intelligently. Tower Guards and fully upgraded Isengard pikes excluded for obvious reasons of course.

You are right about the armory upgrade on the tents not working, I tested it out. That belongs in the bug reports however, not here. Good job for finding it though :)

The topics for more elite and heroic units are all over the place, and do not need to be brought up again here, go to the appropriate thread.

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--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 19. Aug 2015, 18:41 ---Pikes doing low damage? Are you nuts? Maybe Mordor pikes and Rohan Farmhands, but Gondor, Isengard and especially Dwarf pikes rip cavalry to shreds, especially once they have upgrades. Rohirrim of the Eastfold can put up a decent fight, but without the incredible leaderships provided by Rohans heroes they wouldn't be able to win.

Gondor Knights do not beat Royal guards 1v1, only Knights of Dol Amroth can do that.

Imrahils Leaderships only apply to units of Dol Amroth and the fiefdoms, so they do not effect normal Gondor Knights, they only get the +25% damage buff provided by the Dol Amroth Knights and Faramirs leadership, and Aragorn can give fearlessness once he reaches level 10. Now lets list the leaderships and positive effects that Rohan cavalry gets, to compliment the already frightening size of their cavalry force:

Rohirrim of the Eastfold have a default formation which makes them immune to crush revenge damage, and gives +30% damage and +15% armor.
Théoden gives +25% damage and armor and fearlessness.
All the Captains of Rohan from the Assembly Point give fearlessness.
Gamlings Peasant Summon gives +20% damage and armor.
Gamling can heal each battalion of 1 unit once he gets level 7.
Hama has a constant passive heal out of combat for all nearby allies.
Elfhelm has a fast recharging heal ability.
Eomer gives resources for kills to nearby rohirrim, Memorial at level 7 gives +20% damage while debuffing enemies.

Now do you see what I mean about Rohan's leaderships? Add all of this to the cheap cost in resources and CP, and the Breeding Horses spellbook power, and you end up with an absolutely insane force that can be quickly assembled, and kill any other cavalry force and kill pretty much anything except elite pikes. They are fine as they are, they do not need a buff.

Rohan's infantry can't stand up to Gondor's infantry huh? I wonder why it is that my peasant spam always beats Gondor then, hmmm....

I have used Gondor knights plenty of times myself, and I know for a fact they do not trample as good as Rohirrim, and pikes kill them just as fast as Rohirrim, in fact faster. Rohirrim of the Eastfold slaughter pikes if you use them intelligently. Tower Guards and fully upgraded Isengard pikes excluded for obvious reasons of course.

You are right about the armory upgrade on the tents not working, I tested it out. That belongs in the bug reports however, not here. Good job for finding it though :)

The topics for more elite and heroic units are all over the place, and do not need to be brought up again here, go to the appropriate thread.

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Sorry to be so argumentive, but Eomer's Memorial abillity is stationary, so it can't really work on cavalry (They just run out of its radius).

And, that leaves two actual leaderships for rohan's soldiers: Theodon, +25% armor and damage.
The elite rohan tent cavalry (and I am sad to see they didn't fix the armory bug in the patch's changelog)  +20% attack and defense.

And one thing for sure is, Gondor knights do actually kill Dol armoth knights 1v1 (And if you say the dol amroth knights beat royal guards 1v1, then that says something)

Like I said, they should deal less damage.

And I did put that in the Rohan bugs section, I think it got deleted O_o.

If so, why :O That is a serious rohan bug

Elite KryPtik:
I have used memorial to help my cavalry many times. If the enemy army is comprised mainly of pikes, then you put your rohirrim of the eastfold into formation, plant the memorial and watch the carnage ensue. Also thanks for reminding me of the leadership granted by the Military Camp Rohirrim, I had forgotten it in my previous post. I don't understand what you mean by "real leadership" but all of the effects I listed stack up, making Rohirrim armies much harder to kill. Constant healing and unit replenishment have a massive effect on conflicts, and earning resources for kills means that you can reassemble your already cheap army even faster. Finally combine the 20% armor and damage with Theodens, for a total of 45%, plus the Eastfold line formation, which now grants +30% armor AND damage in newest update, and it makes for very strong troops. I'll be testing Gondor Knights vs Royal Guards with a friend, because frankly I don't believe you. If a battalion of Gondor Knights can beat a battalion of Royal Guard or Knights of Dol Amroth in single combat, then something is not right. Like I already said though, I doubt this very much.

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--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am 19. Aug 2015, 22:31 ---I have used memorial to help my cavalry many times. If the enemy army is comprised mainly of pikes, then you put your rohirrim of the eastfold into formation, plant the memorial and watch the carnage ensue. Also thanks for reminding me of the leadership granted by the Military Camp Rohirrim, I had forgotten it in my previous post. I don't understand what you mean by "real leadership" but all of the effects I listed stack up, making Rohirrim armies much harder to kill. Constant healing and unit replenishment have a massive effect on conflicts, and earning resources for kills means that you can reassemble your already cheap army even faster. Finally combine the 20% armor and damage with Theodens, for a total of 45%, plus the Eastfold line formation, which now grants +30% armor AND damage in newest update, and it makes for very strong troops. I'll be testing Gondor Knights vs Royal Guards with a friend, because frankly I don't believe you. If a battalion of Gondor Knights can beat a battalion of Royal Guard or Knights of Dol Amroth in single combat, then something is not right. Like I already said though, I doubt this very much.

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By real leadership, I mean leadership that gives +20% to a stat/stats such as armor and damage; not giving resources for kills, or healing xD.

And in this update(they did not win in the last update), the eastfold Rohhirrim (With their stance)  beat gondor knights 1v1. And btw, gondor knights did beat Dol amroth knights 1v1 in 4.1.1.


I do all my testing with world builder.

And btw, they made draft take 60% longer to come back(On top of being 10% longer to recruit), so I believe peasant spam might just be on even terms with cavalry spam now.

Elite KryPtik:
I tested with my friend in game in latest patch, Gondor Knights do not beat Royal Guard. Leadership isn't the only thing that makes Rohan cavalry so strong, its all the effects I listed earlier combining with Leadership. Rohan cavalry is better than Gondor in every way, they are cheaper, less CP, stronger, and trample better.

Peasant spam is still superior, if you make all your farms the peasant recruiting ones and all your inner farms Flour Mills and completely forego cavalry, not only will your economy be super strong, but you can recruit Peasants from anywhere on the map.

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