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--- Zitat von: Gandalf7000 am 18. Sep 2017, 23:08 ---Yeah, right. But I still prefer more unit centered image not battle centered.

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Me too. The Necromancer will thus rest as an exceptional case in the game.

kmogon:
I would like to raise the issue of Annatar - the lord of gifts.
His graphic concept in Edain was never too convincing for me, in other words it does not look like someone I could trust XD. In the games Shadow of .... , he is presented very well (the only thing that came out) - he looks like friendly elf which is hiding sth, not a strange ghost person. So my question is:  is it possible to replace the current look of the Annatar to the one appearing in the Shadow of Mordor ?

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--- Zitat von: kmogon am 12. Okt 2017, 13:06 ---I would like to raise the issue of Annatar - the lord of gifts.
His graphic concept in Edain was never too convincing for me, in other words it does not look like someone I could trust XD.

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He's in fact someone one should NOT definitely trust :D

In my opinion, his overall concept is probably one of the most loyal to the lore and most appealing too, in terms of graphics (and this is the theme we're discussing now). We have very scarce material at hand that comes from the cinematographic adaptation; nearly nothing at all, I daresay, in that the only appearance of him from the films is provided by a sequence that was later jettisoned completely. Nevertheless, I believe we should be content with what we are offered by the LOTR trilogy, instead of looking for other alternatives. Currently, the Lord of Gifts does give the sense of an apparently noble figure of light, generous and willing to help cure the world; on the contrary, his spike-shaped armour suggests that he's not what he proclaims to be. Ambiguity and opposing elements which mingle with each other. That's a very on-point characterisation, reflected by the model.

kmogon:
I'm glad that you Wülkirie shared your opinion about state of annatar's demanour.

"Currently, the Lord of Gifts does give the sense of an apparently noble figure of light, generous and willing to help cure the world; on the contrary, his spike-shaped armour suggests that he's not what he proclaims to be."

I cannot agree with this "simbolic" look. I meam that showing sb's intents by his apperance isn't good way. Especially when Annatar called himself envoy of Valars and Celebrimbor belived him so he had to look like one of them. We can see good example in other implementation of maiar's help - Saruman. He came to middleerth as a wise and experienced man. Even after his fall to Sauron power, he still looks like "master craftsmen" and he could fool even other istari.I know that there are plenty of symbols in whole Tolkien's work but I wouldn't implemet it in that way.

Walküre:
I instead say that it is exactly this symbolic guise that suits the character well. The best implementation. Symbols have a fundamental role in the lore of Arda and in the entirety of Tolkien's writings. It is symbols which speak and tell more than meets the eyes. I could name countless examples: Morgoth and his scars that nothing could cure, Sauron's corrupted fashion after the fall of Númenor, Saruman's multicoloured robes or the weary gaze of Círdan (profound as naught else and indicative of his millenary age). You may see how the physical shape is much revealing, most of the times.

Now, the current model of the Lord of the Gifts does embody an angelic creature, enlightened and emanating radiance. I get what you mean. This is enough, though. There wouldn't be much point in having a totally blessed form of the hero wander around among the ranks of the most evil of the factions: Mordor. The concept on which the model was fashioned shows already what must be shown. The player should see that such bright figure is characterised also by ambiguous sides that hide his true intentions. Sauron's abilities betray also the real schemes he's up to. In simple words, we need know that we're in front of a malicious presence, despite its fair appearance. The concept of LOTR I find just and sound for the purpose. One could say that it's even a kind of miracle that we have a concept in the first place, although the content didn't pass PJ's test.

Also, don't forget that not all Elves were deceived by Sauron. The wisest managed to turn his sham offer down. Namely, Gil-galad, Galadriel and Círdan. If I recall correctly, it is written in the Silmarillion that Sauron had a somewhat cunning and overall suspicious aura around him; detail that those mighty Elves had not missed. Celebrimbor was fascinated more by Sauron's wide-ranging knowledge of the secrets of metallurgy, rather than his fair shape. It's true that turning into a noble figure helped the Dark Lord's plan, yet that was not the sole element of the equation.

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