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Dain Ironfoot level 10 summon and Ram Riders?
Fredius:
As far as I know you stated in that quote:
--- Zitat ---They are always describes as walking, not riding (the dwarves dislike their ponies very much, when they leave from Bilbo!). Even Dains army who had to rush to the lonely mountain came on foot, not riding (in the books). Why would they do, if they are in a hurry and have mounts?
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This seems to me like a military issue. You're basically saying that they walked on foot to the battlefield because Dwarves don't use mounts? You're absolutely right about that; in the books it is stated that Dwarves don't use any kind of mounts, because they don't like riding on animals. But what I'm saying in response to you is that one doesn't need to follow the books on every single point, especially military-wise.
--- Zitat von: korner am 18. Okt 2015, 21:57 ---Edit:
Relating to your arguent, that dwarves were in the book not properly equipped to fight elves:
I they´d carried all that weapons they have in the movies, they´d simply arrived on the battlefield some days too late. Is that clever?
They have to move very quick, therefore they carry only light armor and weapons. Nothing unlogic or unrealistic about that...
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Uhm have you read the rest of my argument? It is indeed true that armies move faster when lightly equipped but the fact still remains that the Dwarves would have been annihilated if they only carried those arms; that's my whole point. You really think that those small buckler shields would have stopped a barage of arrows? I would like to hear your answer to that question. Carefull preparation is the key to victory; not just rushed mobilization of your army like in the books.
korner:
There is a slight difference between adding some things that are not mentioned in a book and adding something which the books explicitly says does not exist in that world! (dwarves riding animals)
Following your argumentation one could argue that dwarves should get tanks, as Tolkien simply didn´t understand tanks being superior weapon to sword-fighting...
Interesting that you cut off now the first sentence of my quote:
--- Zitat ---2. is there any hint in the books for dwarves cultivating animals? I cannot remember.
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The rest of that quote was just added to underline this sentence.
Dwarves do not tame animals as mounts (I didn´t even remember that it´s said in the books), otherwise they would have used them, if they are in such a hurry to get to Lonely Mountain.
--- Zitat ---You really think that those small buckler shields would have stopped a barage of arrows?
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No. Anything else?
NetoD20:
--- Zitat von: korner am 18. Okt 2015, 21:11 ---ok elite cavalry...
are we still talking about implementing them for Iron Hills only, or for every dwarven faction?
If only Iron Hills: What would the other 2 dwarven realms get instead of the ram-riders?
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Particularly I would prefer the Ram Riders to be implemented in all three of the subfactions, because it makes sense with the Battle Wagon argument, plus I'd assume that rams and mountain goats inhabit the three realms. You can see Erebor goats/rams and even small boars in this shot from the dwarven refugees in the Prologue of An Unexpected Journey:
There's people who don't like that idea, so I remember suggestions for new elite units for the dwarves, a different one for every realm, in this thread: http://en.modding-union.com/index.php/topic,31195.0.html
If the Ram Riders were to be introduced only in Iron Hills, maybe Ered Luin could get the Dwarven Adventurers of Eriador and Erebor could get Dáin's Royal Guard with the CaH's Boar Shield. Maybe these units, if to be implemented, could be recruited at the Citadel, representing noble class dwarves.
Thanks to @DieWalküre for dealing with my post's problem.
Fredius:
--- Zitat von: korner am 18. Okt 2015, 22:16 ---There is a slight difference between adding some things that are not mentioned in a book and adding something which the books explicitly says does not exist in that world! (dwarves riding animals)
Following your argumentation one could argue that dwarves should get tanks, as Tolkien simply didn´t understand tanks being superior weapon to sword-fighting...
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That's just plain exaggeration. I'm still keeping this argument into a medieval sense of warfare, hell I wouldn't care if Peter Jackson put the Dwarves on ponies; but since ponies are no mounts meant for military purposes that's why he added those Rams.
--- Zitat ---Interesting that you cut off now the first sentence of my quote:
--- Zitat ---2. is there any hint in the books for dwarves cultivating animals? I cannot remember.
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The rest of that quote was just added to underline this sentence.
Dwarves do not tame animals as mounts (I didn´t even remember that it´s said in the books), otherwise they would have used them, if they are in such a hurry to get to Lonely Mountain.
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First of all; I purposely cut off that sentence, because it was the next sentences that I wanted to reply to. It doesn't matter anyway; I made my point clear and if you are against it then please tell your reasons.
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--- Zitat ---You really think that those small buckler shields would have stopped a barage of arrows?
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No. Anything else?
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Nope, I just hope you understand that you shouldn't even try to make up the flaws of the book, it's a waste of your time.
korner:
--- Zitat ---you shouldn't even try to make up the flaws of the book
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I don´t see the flaw:
Dwarves have to get to the mountain as quick as possible. Therefore they carry only light armour and weapon. If they´d carry ballistas and stuff like in the movie, they´d simply come too late.
And if dwarves would have mounts, they would have used them - but they simply don´t have them. Not a flaw in my opinion.
--- Zitat ---it's a waste of your time.
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8-) please let´s not talk about this... read first page of that topic and see the reactions I got...
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