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Mordor Balance Discussion

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Elendils Cousin 3. Grades:
Mollok will get slightly buffed in the next version as well, although I don't really agree with him just plain sucking. You need to watch him constantly to stop him from always running into pikes (no idea why he loves to do that), but if you have good micro, he can take on several batallions on his own. He does massive aoe and can boost his damage up to +100%, meaning he will oneshot almost everything that isn't upgraded (or Imladris^^) - including cavalry. He has clear counters in pikes and hero killers, he just needs some added survivability against swords imho, since he dies very quickly to those as well.

calixoxx:
Trolls are absolutely not OP  :D  Maybe if you base rush someone they are good, but they are not effective late game and do not do much to help Mordor's already lacking late game against many factions. Most factions late game will have some level of pikes. Even armored trolls roll right over against an upgraded batt of pikes, especially elite ones.

Mordor trolls are very effective at marching into the enemy base but not at engaging a late game army.

-DJANGO-:
Maybe it would be fair do reduce the crush revenge damage armored Trolls get from swords to a minimum and pikes slightly, since they still get good damage from ranging units and direct pike and hero damage.
The thing with Trolls is, that the step to being OP is very small.

calixoxx:
I totally agree. I know trolls have swung wildly to too OP to underwhelming to where they are now. You just simply can't use trolls in your army late game and have it be worth your while during a faceoff with the enemy. Gondor, Lorien, Dwarves, Isen, they all wreck trolls with pikes.

No one is saying they aren't good at baserushing ^^

Elite KryPtik:
You don't have much experience if you think Trolls get destroyed by pikes, ESPECIALLY armored ones. You know how you beat pikes with trolls? Give them a mace, move them close to the pikes, press the S key, use their ability, and watch the carnage. Its devastating. I have had 2 battalions of UNARMORED trolls kill 4+ battalions of Isengard Pikes, some of the best pikes in the game. I already identified the factions that can handle them easily, Gondor is definitely not one of them.

As for the factions that CAN Handle trolls, they get destroyed by the other factors of Mordor. Orc spam plus insane nazgul debuffs, moving into late game with Castellans and upgraded Archers with Overseers, plus overseers on Cirith Ungol Halberdiers, and Mordor becomes impossible to deal with. Probably the only 2 factions that stand a decent chance against Mordor in 1v1 are Rohan, because of their quick cav, and Lorien, because Lorien is so OP. Ered Luin can probably handle them as well, but I ban them in my games for being too broken, so there you go.

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