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Mordor Balance Discussion

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Aiphaton:
Hey guys, as already proposed on the Discord-Server of the Edain Fight Club I'd like to add a concept on how to change Mordor's Eco to balance it a little more compared to different factions.

Right now I believe it is just way too much to get free eco upgrades next to all the other stuff that is free for Mordor.

I mean due to the fire power of towers baserushing mordor is also extremly hard and mordor has the highest Comeback possibility of all factions.

And I believe that this is also due to the free eco with sauron on level two.

Now I have two ideas concerning that Mordor specific issue. But I’d like to get some opinions here first before I make a post on the MU.

1. Delay the free upgrade to a later point of the game. In order to get an eco upgrade the Mordor player has to cast the influence of sauron on three buildings and has to keep those buildings in order for the first eco upgrade.

Benefit:
- this also makes it important for the player to decide wether or not to cast the influence early on on some outside building like CU because he might not be able to hold it
- next to this the eco upgrade is delayed and it‘s not as easy to just turtle around and get the eco upgrade to get all of the heroes next to the free Orcs and spellbook powers
In order to get eco to level three you have to upgrade another three buildings: now mapcontrol comes to play since you somehow need to influence slaughter houses and slavefarms in order to put the influence on so many buildings.

2. option unlock the option to upgrade eco for 1200 resources through the influence

I think this might also be a good option to weaken this power. Doesn’t change a thing compared to the system right now, but it has to be unlocked in order to research just like the eco of every other faction.
Benefit: takes just as long and costs the same as for every other faction while maintaining a unique concept which suits Mordor.

On top of that I got some feedback on the second option by Smeargollum who added that it might also be an idea to just reduce the upgrade costs to 600 - 800 res, since you already 'invest' by using Sauron's influence on the building.

I think that these two options would make for a way better gameplay with a less OP Mordor.
In terms of practibility I'd see option 2 as a nice touch, since option 1 isn't easy to implement and needs a lot of understanding which is especially hard to learn for new and casual players.

Best regards,
Aiphaton

Spartacus_:
I am not sure about what you said : First of all I really don't think that eco upgrades for Mordor are "totally free", since usually you buy CU (800)+ CU unit (500/600) and one nazgul (1400). So like you see the eco upgrade isn't free at all. We can discuss about mordor beeing favoured since it doesn't need to invest on units so it can invest more in eco and heroes, but I totally disagree when you underline that Mordor has free eco upgrade.

I personally don't like both ideas : with those 2 Ideas you will directly nerf Mordor eg (it is already bad), and you will not nerf the real problem of Mordor: LATE game.

Aiphaton:
But you do delay the lategame.

The EG goes unchanged.
And the costs for a nazgul (1300 instead of 1400 btw) and CU aren’t ‚just‘ for the eco but you directly benefit from them by getting heroes and super strong units.

So your arguments lack a little bit of punch in this matter.

Imo a delay of the eco might actually help with Mordor not being able to just camp and wait for the upgrade anymore.
Apart from that the EG stays unchanged. You can still use the influence of Sauron on different stuff which also helps mordor transition to a later point of the game.

Smeargollum:
Hello together!
I agree that Mordor gets its eco upgrades too easy and too cheap. 
I don’t really like your first suggestion as it seems very complicated and it would also take too long to get the eco to level 2 then, in my opinion. But I think the second suggestion is great, when you use your influence on the building and then you can buy an upgrade there for ca. 600 and after it is done your eco levels. So the upgrade wouldn’t be free as it is now and it would take a bit longer, which would be really good in my opinion.

--- Zitat ---I really don't think that eco upgrades for Mordor are "totally free"
--- Ende Zitat ---
Sparta, ofc they are not totally free but as the stuff you need for Sauron level 3 is the strength of your army that doesn’t really count for me. You always want to get CU units and you always want to get a Nazgul anyways. And when you can get on top of that the eco upgrades that is too strong for me.
It would be like Gondor getting its level 2 eco for building some Gondor knights and getting Aragorn.
And I also agree with Aiphaton that this wouldn’t nerf the eg but delay the lg. Because the difficult phase, the eg, is already survived when you can get Sauron, a Nazgul and a CU barracks.
Probably that is not enough to fix Mordor but I think it is the first step in the right direction.   :)

Best regards
Smeargollum

Seleukos I.:
I agree with Smeargollum. Making the Mordor player pay like 600, maybe a bit more, to upgrade his eco after casting the influence of Sauron should help balance Mordor's eco.

best regardes,
Seleukos I.

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