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Mordor Balance Discussion

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Odysseus:
You might be correct. I don't have the specifics. I could check the BIG files, but I don't see why I should haha.

@Elite
I have no right to ask this of you, but could you post as many replays with Rohan against Mordor as possible? It'd be really useful to teach new players how to play with Rohan against Mordor.

That last replay Skeever uploaded with the Battlewagons, I saw Draco manhandling three opponents with his Mordor play. Quite impressive.

Elite KryPtik:
Yeah that last game was ridiculous. Half of the players, including Draco, seemed to just stop playing midway thru the match xD Draco is very good, one of the few players that can actually defeat me that I know of, besides Skeever and Woppader, so naturally his Mordor play was quite impressive.

I had no idea there was a demand for replays involving Rohan, but the problem is that I always play random, because picking factions beforehand gives the opponent an advantage. Unfortunately I almost never get Rohan, because the game hates me, but if I get any good Rohan matches I will post them.

Adrigabbro:
I was going to agree with Haman that a strong buff for trolls with a little price increasing would be the best option, but since the team is not willing to do so I think the best remaining option is to give them more resistance against arrows (especially structural damage). Other than that, I'm for keeping their trample damage (even though it is more of a inconvenient) and the "troll against hero" thing seems pretty good to me.

However, we are not done. Even though I haven't tested yet the anti Mordor strategy you guys gave me, I'm gonna disagree with anyone who argues that Mordor is not one of the strongest factions currently. So this buff for trolls has to be compensated by a nerf in my opinion. If you guys really don't wanna hit orcs, fine. How about the spellbook then? It feels like Mordor has always either the Eye of Sauron or Tainted land to get the fight to his advantage. Is their cooldown the same as the other 1 pp spell from other factions?

Elite KryPtik:
Mordor IS one of the strongest factions, as it should be. However, Mordor also suffers from a unique trait of being the easiest to predict AND counter. Enemy spamming orcs? Get some archers/cavalry. Enemies making Trolls? Make archers and pikes. Enemies making heroes? Make a hero killer. If you react to what your opponent does instead of following a single BO, you will find yourself winning many more matches. Everything Mordor has can be countered sharply, unlike other factions. For example, Tower Guard are actually very good against swordsmen, and Rohan Cavalry are often good against pikes. Mordor has no unique units like this, all they got is their free orcs.

Elendils Cousin 3. Grades:

--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am  7. Jan 2016, 19:50 ---Mordor has no unique units like this, all they got is their free orcs.

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Instead Mordor has the biggest variety of units in the game. From what I've read in this thread, the problem might not be that free orcs are too strong on their own, but that they are good enough. Mordor should be making good use of this variety, not just use only one tool and put some heroes on top. If nerfing free orcs encourages Mordor players to use archers, pikes and trolls instead of just rushing for Nazgul and Gothmog, I'm all for it, even if it means other units have to be tweaked as well.

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