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SP19XX:

--- Zitat von: Craglord ---Concerning Old Man Willow, I think this is good chance to implement this "mean" huorn in game. To be honest, I understand your reasons (geographical) and others not to have this huorn near entmoot, but in same way I think that team probably won't implement individual hourns on individual maps. So, I think this is good reason to suggest Old Willow hourn as part of this unique suggestion. And it have pretty nice lore facts which we could use for this suggestion in very nice way. :)
Again, those are just reasons of why I think in this way about Old Man Willow.
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Well there is another method that the Huorn's can be used that would also fix the issue of him not being allied to Lorien etc in the first place. Perhaps he could be a hero generated into the Entmoot from Galadriel choosing to accept the ring and when she does all Huorn's inside of the moot come under your control.

When Galadriel accepts the ring the Ents abandon you and you cannot train more of them, which would let the Huorn's fill in as their siege at that point in time. Plus due to the Ring's influence it would be easy enough for Galadriel to bind their allegiance to her and draw Old Man Willow to it's power.

The_Necromancer0:

--- Zitat ---When Galadriel accepts the ring the Ents abandon you and you cannot train more of them, which would let the Huorn's fill in as their siege at that point in time. Plus due to the Ring's influence it would be easy enough for Galadriel to bind their allegiance to her and draw Old Man Willow to it's power.
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I'm not sure but I believe that Dark Galadriel already fills in the role of siege weapon. But  it's an interesting suggestion although I believe that the huorns would more likely follow the Ents away than join Galadriel

CragLord:

--- Zitat von: SP19XX am 22. Nov 2015, 13:11 ---Well there is another method that the Huorn's can be used that would also fix the issue of him not being allied to Lorien etc in the first place. Perhaps he could be a hero generated into the Entmoot from Galadriel choosing to accept the ring and when she does all Huorn's inside of the moot come under your control.

When Galadriel accepts the ring the Ents abandon you and you cannot train more of them, which would let the Huorn's fill in as their siege at that point in time. Plus due to the Ring's influence it would be easy enough for Galadriel to bind their allegiance to her and draw Old Man Willow to it's power.

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I must admit there is good logic here if we take into consideration evil side of the ring and evil side of huorns, actually their corrupted nature. Main problem for now is that team disable siege weapons (Ents, or anyother) when Galadriel accepts ring, because she became ultimate siege weapon then. So I would like at the end of this discussion when we make final concept to suggest this proposal as one of possible ways to implement them (something similar Necromancer did with his first comment, there he gather all suggestions so far).
But main problem with implementation of Hourns in this way (when Galadriel accepts ring) would be their role. Ents are disabled, so Entmoot isn't in use int this case, so what would be role of Huorns? To protect building which isn't producing units? They won't be siege weapons in that case for sure, so this gives me little hope about this proposal, but as I said, maybe something could be combined with this anyway. :)


--- Zitat von: The_Necromancer0 am 22. Nov 2015, 13:21 ---I'm not sure but I believe that Dark Galadriel already fills in the role of siege weapon. But  it's an interesting suggestion although I believe that the huorns would more likely follow the Ents away than join Galadriel

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Yes, you are right about this. But we also could suggest this from  aspects of "evil" situation when Galadriel accepts ring. When she accepts ring, Lothlorien became a bit corrupted place (in my opinion, all became so black and gray) so she probably have power to control those corrupted trees as huorns and their corrupted (I mainly refer on Old Man Willow here) nature. In my opinion this corrupted nature fits into atmosphere of dark Lorien. :)
That is just my opinion. :)

Regards,
Crag

Telperion:
I was a bit sceptic the first time i read this thread but you have developped a very impressive concept. I love the idea of huorns and Old man Willow replacing the ents when Galadriel accept the ring. Even if dark Galadriel is a very powerful siege weapon it is not easy to attack with only one siege weapon.

CragLord:

--- Zitat von: Telperion am 23. Nov 2015, 21:58 ---I was a bit sceptic the first time i read this thread but you have developped a very impressive concept. I love the idea of huorns and Old man Willow replacing the ents when Galadriel accept the ring. Even if dark Galadriel is a very powerful siege weapon it is not easy to attack with only one siege weapon.

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Yes it is nice concept, but it is not only problem with siege weapon side/role (although it is main problem), problem is if you want to suggest them as siege weapons, what animations you suggest, how they will attack buildings? How they will use to express their siege role? Roots? How hourns will use roots as siege weapons? What kind of animations you suggest for this? Then, this means you suggest that hourn will be regular production unit? I don't like that to be honest. Simply it is not ent so it could walk, it is rooten tree which moves a lot slower and only in some particular situations. In my opinion hourns shouldn't be standard units, they should be unique and I like slave system with entmoot because it is in my opinion the most reasonable one from lore facts.
It is easy to suggest main purpose, we need details so we could make final concept which has some value.

Regards,
CragLord

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