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Evil Men Faction

Yes an Evil Men faction would be great with all of the realms combined.
79 (65.8%)
I like the evil men the way they are now.
7 (5.8%)
I think they should not have a faction but i would like more units from the spellbook.
3 (2.5%)
Harad And Rhun should be two separate factions.
31 (25.8%)

Stimmen insgesamt: 116

Autor Thema: A possible new Evil Men faction  (Gelesen 16749 mal)

FilipGeorg95

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #105 am: 17. Mai 2018, 11:48 »
You might as well read my two concepts that I posted here. I made Harad and Rhun as main factions while Umbar and Khand as their subfactions. Feel free to give feedback in order to improve certain things :) :)

AulëTheSmith

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #106 am: 18. Mai 2018, 01:07 »
Aule, your ideas are perfect. Just make up a name or go with one of the other nazgul. It would still work.

It is what i will actually do, going deeper into character's lore and finding a proper haradrim name  ;) One of the first thing i made at the beginning of the project was actually looking for dark/terrible Harad names, that was before i came up (wrongly [ugly]) to the idea of Heromur. But in game it will be unnamed, with only the Title of "The Forsaken".

Garlodur: i read your concept, the one on google drive, it's awesome man! Both you and Filip have done a beautiful job, there's a lot of nice material to discuss!!   xD
I'm not sure about making Khamul the ring hero. But still it seems the most reasonable option. What about connecting the ring function to some dark cult/magic? I would also change the abilities of stadard (no ring) Khamul, in order to contextualize him into the new faction; not simply a copy of the Mordor's one. Maybe we should change his role from building interferer to real supporter for the faction.

I would like to craft also a concept of the Dark Headsman; i'm not only sure if an axe fits for a Nazgul. it seems that this model (from forgeworld/hobbit movie) is the heir  of the old GW miniture of The Knight of Umbar (which is better title anyway). At least is what is theorized on fandom wiki. I saw you put some images of him. The Edain team also got the inspiration from GW about Dark Marshall and Shadow Lord.

Finally, in this way you will have Khamul as chieftain plus The Forsaken and Khight of Umbar, as his minor lieutenants to support him. All three once belong to a specific reign of Evil Men faction: Rhun, Harad and Umbar. Each one of the three will have a specific new set of abilities (totally unique with respect to the Mordor's versions) to underline the fact that they're now walking again on their past lands, which give them strength and some of their ancient power as Kings of Men. What do you guys Think?  ;)

Lord Aytugar

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #107 am: 22. Mai 2018, 13:33 »
Hello friends!

After a long time for completing my work, I prepared a consept for Men of Darkness.

The  content focus on  different systems and the mechanic. So I did not see  it is necessary to put some pictures at this step.

I am expecting your comments about it.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-cOS9vudVGV7rl5IafBI9DCO_yTjx6XO

Edit 1: The original consept has some improvements now. I added a few pictures for new units. I know the implementation of this will take a while, but if you interested in the topic, please comment.

Edit 2: I added a Lieutenant of Melkor over advise of dkbluewizard. Make a place for him is not so easy when considering the balance. The ranks of him revised.


« Letzte Änderung: 1. Jun 2018, 17:37 von Lord Aytugar »

dkbluewizard

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #108 am: 22. Mai 2018, 14:13 »
 Lord Aytugar, I really liked this concept and how you made the heroes more Low Men and Black Numenorian based. I think the heroes are very canonical and you have some good/cool ideas. Hope to see some of this implemented in the future.
Outside of Lord of the Rings, I am pretty sure Vengeance of Valdorian & Leoj's Wrath are the best novels I have read.

Lord Aytugar

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #109 am: 22. Mai 2018, 14:24 »
Thank you dkbluewizard. I remember your cool ideas as well, I am glad to hear that from you.

I hope one day we see it happened.

dkbluewizard

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #110 am: 26. Mai 2018, 05:25 »
No problem Lord Aytugar. Just a thought also, maybe many of you haven't read the Silmarillion. But it says in the East Morgoth left lesser lieutenants. Who knows what happened to them in the Second and Third Age. But it is all conjecture. But what we do know is that he left lieutenants with the Men of the East. Which they had to be some type of Maia, Beast, or Orc. The story of Fankil in one of Tolkien's notes bears a strong resemblance to this notion.

So if you guys wanted to use any of Morgoth's lieutenants, that is a possibility as well.
Outside of Lord of the Rings, I am pretty sure Vengeance of Valdorian & Leoj's Wrath are the best novels I have read.

Lord Aytugar

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #111 am: 30. Mai 2018, 15:53 »
Dkbluewizard, I took your advise for Fankil and tried to implement him into the faction. I am sorry for last message. I wrote it because I thought there was no place for him. Now he is available after the central spell. I am wondering your comments about it.

dkbluewizard

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #112 am: 1. Jun 2018, 03:38 »
Well your sources are phenomenal! Thank you for making this. Fankil is a good choice and I am pretty sure Morgoth's lesser servants that stayed with the Low Men either had to serve Sauron, flee, or die.

The powers you came up with are great for Fankil but it says he can do all of these at Rank 1. I don't know about summoning a balrog, I think those might be too powerful for him. But I thought all his other powers were unique and well thought out. Maybe a Were-Wyrm? I think since Were-Wyrms exist in the East that might be a better solution.
Outside of Lord of the Rings, I am pretty sure Vengeance of Valdorian & Leoj's Wrath are the best novels I have read.

Lord Aytugar

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #113 am: 1. Jun 2018, 10:50 »
Dkbluewizard Thank you for feedback. I will be glad after complete this faction.

Fankil can be very useful for this faction. At first I focus on his summoning time, but  now I agree with you that he can not have every skills at once. Every time he is summoned, he gets another ability.

But I disagree with you on the last ability. In the history of Fankil, it says that  the Shadow Flame suddenly awoke in the East who is Muar, Demon of  North, a lesser Balrog.  He is out of controlled, and attacks to enemy building for one shoot. I see it a powerful bond with Melkor as with the influence from him.

I am wondering what is your idea about Ji Indur and Adunaphel? I respect to the different ideas as long as we can discuss them.

dkbluewizard

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #114 am: 1. Jun 2018, 21:27 »
I know who Muar is, and if you read MERPS Muar is made up and two, he is enemies with Fankil later after the Fall of Morgoth, and three, Muar is dead by the time of the Third Age. So that wouldn't work at all.

I take it back. Since he is a summon, let him have all abilities immediately.
Outside of Lord of the Rings, I am pretty sure Vengeance of Valdorian & Leoj's Wrath are the best novels I have read.

Lord Aytugar

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #115 am: 1. Jun 2018, 22:41 »
I tried to help for Men of Darkness faction consept. If the community wants to use it, it is ok. If not, it's ok too. I wasn't expecting anything from here. How much I contributed, I don't know. I believe this consept is very good. But I will not be here anymore because many people out of here was right about this place, some members are really arrogant and unreasonable.

dkbluewizard

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #116 am: 2. Jun 2018, 18:20 »
Lord Aytugar, if I have demonstrated that path to you, then I apologize (don't believe I have but).

My reason to contribute is just to make sure everything lines up with the lore like Edain want. But even they bend and break the rules. So I can understand where you are coming from.

I don't delve too much on here either anymore. Though I do comment when I see a great concept formed and your concept is phenomenal. I like it.  I thought you put a lot of hard work and soul into this. You should forward this concept to Lord Ellessar. He is looking to build a Rhun and Harad faction, and I am sure he would take a lot of what you have done into account for his submod.
Outside of Lord of the Rings, I am pretty sure Vengeance of Valdorian & Leoj's Wrath are the best novels I have read.

Lord Aytugar

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Re: A possible new Evil Men faction
« Antwort #117 am: 4. Jun 2018, 23:33 »
Dkbluewizard, I admit that I might misunderstand your message. Sometimes choosen words can have different meanings. I see that you try to help for making perfect the consept canonicly. Also you are the only one who noticed and comment the consept.

I am presenting the last version of Men of Darkness faction consept to the community:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VuvrrRJDUIk6-DAKJjhNmssPePlRuETG

Sincerely

Edit: Strategy and Gameplay fraction is added and the siege machines has been changed.
« Letzte Änderung: 7. Jul 2018, 19:01 von Lord Aytugar »