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Rohan Late Game Improvement Ideas

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Hamanathnath:
There just fundamental problems with the suggestion.  Even with a timer, because cavalry are faster then pikemen, it makes it too easy when fighting something other then pikes to just run away and switch forms if pikes come.  I would also make cavalry insanely strong against everything else.  And why would Rohan cavalry have an ability like this, and not any other cavalry from other factions?  And what would the difference between Rohirrim and Rohirrim of the Eastfold with this change?

I appreciate that you are trying to come up with an idea to fix this problem, but I still don't think this is a good way to do it. 

Odysseus:
I am with Haman on this. The natural counter is the pike/spear and should remain the pike/spear. The problem is that Rohan's light cavalry is not tanky enough to deal with late-game upgraded armies. Especially when it comes to trampling units. Their damage, however, is fine.

Joragon:
But the main problem in my opinion is not that Rohans Rohirrim are too weak against spears. Probably that's one problem, but the main thing is that Rohan doesn't has quite good alternatives to Rohirrim. They need too much time to upgrade their peasants so that they can deal with other factions in MG or LG.

Just making Rohirrim better against spears would actually cause that the only opinion for Rohans enemy is to spam spears because nothing else is enough effective against Horses.

So I think it has to be changed that the Rohirrim should probably do a bit more damage against Spearmen AND to change that it is attractive for the enemy to not only build pikes.
Rohans other Units like peasants should be improved, not in there direct strength, but probably it should be easier to upgrade them.

So then the enemy don't spams pikes in this mass and Rohirrim are more effective.
LG
Joragon

Morwereth:
Well, I have been following this forum for months but I did not fancy writing. Until I saw this thread.  :D

I don't remember when, Team metioned that they don't want to give more than one ability/stance to basic units. So I think Slawek's idea can't be used for basic units at least.
 
All factions have elite/heroic units which make trouble for opponent. Besides, Gondor and Dwarves have good cavalry and ram riders although they suppose to be infantry based faction. These two factions give a player an oppurtunity to support his army with good cavalry.

Rohan doesn't have proper infantry (except glitched westfold swordmen) for countering enemy pike spam. Team doesn't want to add units for Rohan so player has only two choices: peasant spam or buffed cavalry.

Why Rohan (cavalry faction) must spam peasants to win this game? I don't think most of people are happy while they're playing with Rohan. Spamming weak infantry like Mordor is not lore-wise or fun at all.

I like KryPtik's idea. Purchasable upgrade from armoury (or Spellbook) would improve Rohan's gameplay significantly. As much as i read, there are some inconveniencies for this idea.

1) New buff turn Rohirrim to a warmachine.

This buff can be configurable after testing process. We don't want Rohirrim to wreck all pikes via trampling. However, if cavalry faction can't hold against enemy pike spam why would people want to play with Rohan? If Rohirrim of Eastfold become tankier with this buff, player can support them with Rohirrim Archers. This gives player a chance in LG.

2) Players would not have an option with this buff in spellbook.

Well, I haven't seen any people who choose military camp first. If this upgrade will be purchasable via spellbook, it can be added bottom of military camp. Also players who play with dwarves mostly go for Final Stand. We all know how it is effective with dwarven veterans.

I would like to see it in armoury though. I also support Hamman's Grand Harvest suggestion. It can be purchasable on new Outpost. I think big-village concept will work fine for this upgrade.

My suggestion is about Eomer. He seems like more unit supporter than mass slayer. His piercing spear, memorial and ride of the exiled skills don't fit with his role. Perhaps Team may want to change him a bit. If he is an unit supporter, new buff would be his level 10 passive skill. If he stays as a mass slayer I think his skills should be changed entirely. Rohan heroes except Theoden usually strong in EG an MG. Improvement of Eomer would give option to player in LG. Perhaps his cost can be 1800.

I try to explain my thoughts as much as i can, I hope it can be helpful.

Slawek56703:
Okay, so the conversion stances into formation does not make sense. While it is true I have to admit you're right in the long run, this sucks. I do not know why but still I'd like something to think about with formations. So maybe the existing formations change to activate powers to make them more useful. Formation maintained at 20 seconds, and recycling is possible after 60 seconds. The formation is similar (in Edain 3.8.1 to Imladris), and now similar to Rohan Archers who also have activated power. Besides that you mentioned about why other cavalry units can not have anything like this, the reason is so that each faction has something unique example wargs Isengard have the power to heal themselves, I know it's not free is just an example. Besides, if you say that it will be too similar to another faction in this case to Imladris that this fraction can get something else such as joining battalions of archers and pikemen / soldiers. Do not forget that if we want to maintain Rohan as fractions of cavalry and LG has to be balanced, it can not do without changing other units of the faction, and how we might damage the balance of the game. I do not understand the problem of the economy, even if you raise the amount of resources for Rohan and lasted for LG, it would end up with the cavalry it is logical and additionally canonical from the movie and the book. And is it really Rohan needs support in LG? If so, perhaps only this mysterious outpost can change the situation for Rohan.
PS : Outpost is LG solution
Edit is was answer to Haman i write longer since Google Translator ;p

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