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Rohan Late Game Improvement Ideas

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Adrigabbro:
Just a random thought, what if Rohirrims had a toggle between spears and bow? They would be more dynamic to play and there would be real choice between them and Eastfold riders. Of course Rohirrim archers would have to be removed.

By the way, I agree with buffing Eomer (I wanted to talk about it. :D ) Right now all Rohan heroes cost 1600 or less (supposing you get Uncorrupted Theoden with Glorious King). This is why a lot of players go for peasants+heroes spam ; you can get so many heroes very quickly who will hide into your peasants army and wreck havoc. A more expensive but stronger Eomer would be a slight nerf to that strategy while improving Rohan late game. Of course I'm talking about a 300 g. raise,  it's not much but still a start.

EDIT: Also, Eomer's passive could be for riders only.

Elite KryPtik:
I completely disagree with Slawek, Rohirrim need a straight buff that can be unlocked late game.

I also disagree with buffing Eomer, I think he's in a good spot right now ever since the team buffed his abilities. However, I would still call for replacing Memorial with a more suiting ability for a mass slayer.

I don't think there is any need to have a bow/spear toggle, as this ability is already on the Rohirrim from the Military Camp.

Morwereth, Welcome to the forums! I'm glad you agree, if more guests would join in on the conversation and reveal their thoughts we might get a better idea of how many people want a better Rohan late game. Thanks for the post!

You are right that nobody ever goes for Military Camp first, people go for ents to try and coincide the ents with a ram rush to finish off the enemy quickly, because they have no chance late game. If the Royal Breeding was buffed and unlocked via spellbook, and switched costs to make it a 6 point power while elf summon was a 3 point, it could certainly be moved to the right and the 3 hunters move to the left. This would actually make a lot of sense, because then people could go left for the aggressive summon support and Ents, or go right for the longer game of getting Royal Breeding and Military Camp. This would add a lot of diversity to games that have Rohan in them.

Melkor Bauglir:
I think untill now there wasn't a single one that said, Rohan should not be buffed in the LG and both in the German and the English forum there was some to much interest for this topic.
Also, I don't think that Memorial should be replaced: It is actually really strong in the LG because Rohan has no other debuffs (and the effect of damage debuffs diminishes if they are stacked, because damage scales multiplicatively).
BTW: Currently I am not writing something in this topic, because I am convinced of your thoughts about how Rohan is to be changed, but because I see no point in explaining my point if the response is getting told precisely why my opinion (better: my arguments) is (are) wrong. This is not meant as an offense, but I seriously do not enjoy this way of discussing. ;)

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

Elite KryPtik:
Well, that's how debates and discussions work my friend :)

If somebody would present a point to me I could not disprove, I wouldn't do it. However, all it has been up till now is people saying it should be one way or another based on what they want, or on their opinions, not based on fact. My idea is entirely based on the fact that right now Rohans late game is awful, and their cavalry cannot stand up to late game upgraded armies. I have played, as I said, hundreds of games with Rohan, and have played even more AGAINST Rohan, I know their strengths and weaknesses like the back of my hand.

Cavalry do good damage, however; they are too weak to survive anything beyond a single trample. Therefore, I ask for a health and armor buff. Additionally, peasants literally lose to late game pike spam of enemy armies. So this means that regardless of how you play, the enemy needs to only do a single thing, that is survive, spam pikes and upgrade them, and you have automatically lost. I have seen what I just described happen, conservatively, at least 200 times. If something happens THAT OFTEN, then its concrete proof of fact. I'm not just basing my idea on what I want, I'm basing it off of fact.

Melkor Bauglir:
I'd argue that it doesn't always have to be exactly this way. I have no problem in getting myself proven wrong, but like a number of people, I pointed out certain weaknesses in your concepts (or others, that is of course not centered around you), and I myself do not think I ever got a sufficient answer for this.
Other than that I would prefer to not have this discussion in public, because I don't want this topic to get mixed with different discussions. Just let me tell this: I don't think your arguments are as crystal clear as they may seem to you and I'm pretty sure others think so as well (because the pointed out similar problems). From my point of view a ton of questions / problems remain still unanswered. However I don't really feel the need of expressing these concerns if criticism for these ideas is mainly answered by you, "proving" them wrong, while supporting the ones aggreeing. I am certain you don't mean it this way, but this kind of sticks out for me.
And please notice, that I am not saying your or others' arguments are wrong. I am mainly trying to point out that it doesn't really encourage a discussion if you constantly jump on every comment. Sometimes it's better to watch for other opinions and you won't get those this way, otherwise it turns into a one-person-discussion. (And please don't write, others have replied, too, so this isn't a one-person-discussion. This isn't the essence of what I said.) ;)

Greetings
Melkor Bauglir

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