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Autor Thema: Imladris Balance Suggestions  (Gelesen 3593 mal)

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #45 am: 15. Jan 2017, 03:09 »
Lorien minstrels are not limited. Further a limitation should always be the ultima ratio. If you noticed, in edain only heroic units are limited to 3 units.

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #46 am: 15. Jan 2017, 07:17 »
Lorien minstrels are not limited. Further a limitation should always be the ultima ratio. If you noticed, in edain only heroic units are limited to 3 units.

My mistake, but maybe this could be a compromise. Limiting to 3 loremasters would allow only 1 combination power that you would need to be strategic about.

I don't honestly even think that needs to happen because I don't consider lores OP to be honest.

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #47 am: 17. Jan 2017, 18:14 »
Sorry for the double post- but is there any talk of nerfing the defenses on the Dunedain outpost? Once you get the watch tower units get wrecked trying to take it down early. It just places so many archers on it that once it's up it's very hard to take down and can sort of defend itself.

Compared to Dale or Lake Town, it seems to be much stronger and protected with the tower.

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #48 am: 17. Jan 2017, 19:21 »
Yeah, the watch tower is getting nerfed, that thing is just stupid^^

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #49 am: 17. Jan 2017, 19:25 »
It is silly how strong the outpost is. So much that it even amuses me whenever I see it ingame  :D


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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #50 am: 18. Mai 2017, 04:50 »
Hi guys
I played a lot of Imladris 1v1 and team games and I have few suggestions to make them more flexible and bring rest of Imladris troops to show up in games not only cavalry and swordman (+ Lindons and pikes):

1. Library cost reduced (600 or lesser)
2. Let Lore masters have their single skill available without upgrading it and instead of that upgrade get all structure lvl2
3. When you get available eregion upgrades by Library, to make eregion shields upgradeable, upgrade give armor against arrows and bonus hp.
4. Give Gildor little stats buff he is too weak compared to Dragulin
5. Dunedain outpost tower upgrade is too strong nerf that pls
6. Give leadership to Veterans  of Last Alliance, lvl1 fear resistance to nearby units. 10lvl debuff resistance to nearby units. 20lvl knockback resistance to nearby units.
Set their cost to 1400, and make them easier to lvl up.

reasons for this:
1. Library is mostly mid game structure it is hard to rush it early to make Imladris more flexible in early game to adjust their gameplan.
2. I never see Imladris archers in game, because they are hard to access and there are Lindons so no need for imladris archers. So this could bring archers more in Imladris gameplay. Same thing to Blademasters i usually use them against 15+ units regular horde they are good but later on in game. Maybe make them cost more but improve their stats to make them harder to access they could be really op in early game.
Lore masters are really not used a lot in EG and MG. This could bring them.
3. This is problem with horde with 5 units, they are so easily killed by archers because they are always easy to focus and if you lose one battalion of Imladris units that is really big loss, so make them harder to be killed and give player more time to react. When good player focus archer fire on one battalion they can be so fast killed even with armor upgraded, so give option to player to be more safe with their frontline.
4. Poor Gildor, yeah he have 1. lvl ability the best maybe Dragulin is better in scout role than him but that ability is really op but anyway he isnt just ward. Make him at least more useful at harassing troops.
5. Towers are really op in this patch I think there would be nerf for Dunedain camp too.
6. Veterans are not useful as they should be. Rivendel swordsmen are tanky elite units. That role is taken they are better than Veterans with all upgrades and more flexible.
I didnt see Veterans at 20 lvl and I think I would see them. They are LG units and if You are in lead you really dont need them if your are behind they will die as tanks and probably they will not win game for you. This skill who give more xp is really useless because you always keep your units alive as much as You can and they lvl up at 5lvl till you get Veterans. So Make them more easier to lvl up and give them leadership because Rivendel really sux when there are debuff to their armor. If opponent go for debuffs like Nazgul focus you really dont have choice how to play against. So with suggested leadership you will try to keep Veterans alive to get that lvl10 and counter that debuffs.


I think you made great job with advance strategy skills, they make Rivendel cavalry, Swordmen and Pikes really fun to play with and really flexible to counter every thing. So their spam prevents other units to show on, at least as counters.

Thanks for reading and I ask You for reply.
« Letzte Änderung: 18. Mai 2017, 05:01 von kreso »
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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #51 am: 12. Jun 2017, 13:29 »
I want to say something about relation between arrows and elves. From my experience I can conclude that imladris units are too vulnerable for arrows. I know that even with this weakness some players will say that imladris = op, so I don't want to change it drastically. This vulnerability hurts the most during siege when building deal too much damage to your troops. I though about two examples which can help in this problem:

1. Eregior armor
- it would decrease damage taken from range attacks by 15%
 
It would help imladris warriors to stay a little more time during siege. This upgrade shouldn't be too powerfull couse it could take away last weakness which elves have in late game.

2. Lore masters of light
- those lore masters does nearly 0 damage and has very short range but have passive skill which boosts armor of nearbly sodiers against range attack by 20%.

Truly I didn't see anybody who would play those lore masters. For me their current state needs rework becouse they don't deal enough damage to do some serious things like their other brothers. In my concept they would be probably more usable. Close range is needed to stay close to melee fightes. Bonus is bigger than in first cocept cuse lore masters would be still easy aim to take down by enemy.


I want you to share your feedback. Maybe I'm the only one who has problem with this.

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #52 am: 12. Jun 2017, 13:46 »
I want to say something about relation between arrows and elves. From my experience I can conclude that imladris units are too vulnerable for arrows. I know that even with this weakness some players will say that imladris = op, so I don't want to change it drastically. This vulnerability hurts the most during siege when building deal too much damage to your troops. I though about two examples which can help in this problem:

1. Eregior armor
- it would decrease damage taken from range attacks by 15%
 
It would help imladris warriors to stay a little more time during siege. This upgrade shouldn't be too powerfull couse it could take away last weakness which elves have in late game.

2. Lore masters of light
- those lore masters does nearly 0 damage and has very short range but have passive skill which boosts armor of nearbly sodiers against range attack by 20%.

Truly I didn't see anybody who would play those lore masters. For me their current state needs rework becouse they don't deal enough damage to do some serious things like their other brothers. In my concept they would be probably more usable. Close range is needed to stay close to melee fightes. Bonus is bigger than in first cocept cuse lore masters would be still easy aim to take down by enemy.


I want you to share your feedback. Maybe I'm the only one who has problem with this.

I will merge this thread of yours with the general thread that concerns Imladris balance. That is the proper place and many more people intervened there, thus increasing your chances to receive more and diverse on-topic responses :)

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #53 am: 12. Jun 2017, 14:18 »
Thanks the Walkürie, I always have problem when the suggestion is worth having its own topic  or when not  :P

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #54 am: 12. Jun 2017, 14:41 »
Never mind ;)

I would suggest common balance-related suggestions be forwarded in this specific typology of threads, which is present in all boards. Only in this way will it be easier to track each suggestion, avoiding fragmentation, and to gather people's answers. Balance is also a matter from which very wide-ranging discussions often originate, perhaps very different from the initial topic that started all. That's why I would personally reserve own threads for conceptual proposals, unless one is willing to present a much wide and structured proposal for balance, with the idea of revolutionising a certain aspect.

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Re: Imladris Balance Suggestions
« Antwort #55 am: 12. Jun 2017, 14:53 »
What weakness should Imladris infantry have if not be little more vulnerable to archer damage (but only due to their small-bataillons not their stats )?
Their armor upgrade already helps them alot to counter this weakness, due to the fact that archer upgrades usually come later. Also they have an active ability to increase their armor.
Your suggested buff is already implemented through the passive ability of Lindon Archers. Above that they counter every standard archers due to being a heroic unit. Imladris also has cheap Dunedain Archers with good range und good cavalry to counter enemy archers.
So you see, that Imladris can "outplay" their weaknesses quite well.
I wont say nothing concerning the Lore-Masters bcs they will likely get an overhaul at some point.