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NoldorSithLordsShipwright:
I would like to give my vote IN FAVOR of DieWalkure's well thought out and very lore friendly proposal.

Walküre:

--- Zitat von: kreso am 11. Mai 2017, 01:29 ---But there should be problem because Gandalf gets magic dmg buff in 1. lvl with his stances what is not that great in terms of gameplay balance, but that could be solved with scaling damage of abilitys with Gandalfs levels.

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Magic already scales, if I'm not wrong. It was one of the most stringent issues that needed to be fixed. And it was thus fixed in the 4.4 patch or in the following updates (if I recall correctly).

As I replied to other considerations of that sort, one should not forget that going for the aggressive stance poses a notable risk for the player: having the bubble shield completely deactivated and defence decreased. An effective counter-attack of the opponent would aim at striking the wizard in the most sudden of the ways; performing most of Gandalf's spells requires some time, leaving open spaces for the enemies to intervene. That's why I don't feel like adding even more burdensome penalties to this feature. Nevertheless, the idea of effects on cool-down is something that doesn't displease me either. Speaking about the general concept, it may certainly be a minor addition, yet consistent and much fitting for whom it involves (even the people who didn't agree have acknowledged this); a proposal which lives up to the Edain Mod's renowned high standards of quality and content. And I do believe that using a 3000-resource major hero as Gandalf in the most interesting way is something the game needs equally.


--- Zitat von: NoldorSithLordsShipwright am 11. Mai 2017, 04:38 ---I would like to give my vote IN FAVOR of DieWalkure's well thought out and very lore friendly proposal.

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Thank you very much ;)

Gandalf The Gray:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am  5. Jan 2017, 12:01 ---THE REPATRIATION OF NARYA

--- Zitat ---Now all these things were achieved for the most part by the counsel and vigilance of Mithrandir, and in the last few days he was revealed as a lord of great reverence, and clad in white he rode into battle; but not until the time came for him to depart was it known that he had long guarded the Red Ring of Fire. At the first that Ring had been entrusted to Círdan, Lord of the Havens; but he had surrendered it to Mithrandir, for he knew whence he came and whither at last he would return.

‘Take now this Ring,’ he said; 'for thy labours and thy cares will be heavy, but in all it will support thee and defend thee from weariness. For this is the Ring of Fire, and herewith, maybe, thou shalt rekindle hearts to the valour of old in a world that grows chill. But as for me, my heart is with the Sea, and I will dwell by the grey shores, guarding the Havens until the last ship sails. Then I shall await thee.’
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J.R.R. Tolkien - The Silmarillion: Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age

Following in the footsteps of the recent wide-ranging and extremely fruitful debate regarding Gandalf and possible solutions to make him even more canonical, I present the final proposal that emerged from differing views and a lot of insightful debating. May I just say that I find this a valuable compromise which aims to add the only missing piece to the Grey/White Wizard's design, while respecting the binding limits of this tough (very tough) topic. Many thanks to all the ones who participated with passion to the development of the thread and shared their precious ideas. In particular, a special merit ought to be given to Haman (who helped me in finding the right conclusion) and to dkbluewizard (who started the discussion in the first place). Henceforth, we here propose the final and totally lore-accurate repatriation of Narya to its legitimate owner during the War of the Ring (and most of the events of the fall of Arnor).

The premises: The current presence of Narya in the game is a clear violation of the lore, even though the reasons behind this choice (as I understood them) have a logic. All the Three Rings are in fact in Elven hands. As the quotation at the beginning tells, though, the lore speaks clearly; Narya belongs to Gandalf and to him only. It's only in the hands of the Istar that the Ring of Fire could fully fulfil its duty, which was granting endurance to the bearer (in all perils) and inspiring in the people the will to fight any form of tyranny, until the victory of the Good.

Given that the Edain Mod is mainly based on the War of the Ring, and Gondor is one of the factions that embody the cinematographic trilogy the most, I think it's quite imperative that Narya be in the hands of the one who wields it in the faction's timeline. The very theme at the core of LOTR is the conflict against the Evil of Middle-earth and the strife of the Free People to preserve their freedom; this is also the theme from which Narya and Gandalf's deeds feed. And we shouldn't forget that Gondor represents also the primary duty of Men in defending the World, as the Elves did in the First Age. So, taking all these premises into account very carefully, I would say it's of paramount importance to return that Ring of Power to Mithrandir, in line with the true essence of the Edain Mod and of Gondor itself. Thus, the Three Rings would be available in three different factions (Rivendell, the Golden Wood and Gondor), each of them with its proper characterisation and in the just place. Círdan, on his side, would then be appointed the role he's supposed to have during Imladris' timeline; that is, the guardian of the Grey Havens, destined to wait until all the mightiest Eldar of a noble lineage sail to the West (indicating the end of the Third Age). In my opinion, going back to his actual characterisation does do justice to Círdan, as I have always seen him as a kind of in-between character, who loves the mortal shores and longs for the Undying Lands at the same time (his Palantír is the only one able to go beyond Arda's borders and even reach Eressëa). His interest is mainly into the Sea, and not into the active and dynamic role of leading the Good against Sauron; role that truly pertains to whom bears Narya.

Círdan's current ability (involving the Ring of Fire) will be simply renamed Gift of the Sea. As for the icon picture, I guess an image of the Grey Havens or of the Sea itself will do fine.

In the game: Due to the very well-known limitations that we had to deal with in proposing a concept for this extremely iconic and particular hero, we eventually opted for a stance system, so that no abilities will be altered, nor will Gandalf's role as a mass-slayer be changed even slightly. One could see the addition of Narya as a very smart scope for adhering rightly to the sources (the Three Rings!) and for enhancing the hero's current performance. Furthermore, last but not least, Gandalf happens to be Ealendril's favourite character in the game. We're therefore immensely aware of the difficult task of suggesting this sort of features for this sort of heroes. We nonetheless did our best. I hope you will appreciate the effort and the content.

Gandalf's current sixth slot will be naturally used for Narya's stances, in the way I'll illustrate below. Narya will thus influence the hero's attack and defence, by enhancing/decreasing the effectiveness of spells or Gandalf's unique defence mechanism; in regards of the latter aspect, we wanted to tie this concept to his magical shield (something I really like), in order to give the Ring of Fire its own proper visual display, as Vilya and Nenya have their own in the game. Henceforth, the magical shield will signal that Narya is casting its Magic to protect its bearer!




Normal Stance: The Ring of Fire

Gandalf's common statistics. That is, a balanced measure between spell effectiveness and the frequency of the activation of his magical shield.

Aggressive Stance: Will of Justice

Narya inspires Gandalf to fight tyranny and any device of the Evil. His spell damage is amplified by 50% and his attack by 15%. On the other hand, his defence is decreased by 25% and his magical shield will be completely disabled, leaving him vulnerable, in particular, against other heroes and monsters.

Defensive Stance: Imperishable Hope

Narya's flame nourishes the hope of the Istar and his endurance to resist all foul horrors. His defence is increased by 25% and the frequency of the activation of his magical shield will be higher (quite higher), granting him protection against units, monsters and heroes. On the other side, Narya absorbs part of Gandalf's strength to focus on defence and so the damage of his spells is decreased by 50%.

Given that the mission of the Istar started as soon as he had set foot on Middle-earth (around 1000 T.A.), Arnor's Gandalf and the Blue Mountains' Gandalf will be equally endowed with Narya. Gandalf the White will make usage of this feature in the same way Gandalf the Grey does (no changes). Gandalf the Corrupted will activate Narya in the same way too, but, instead of a magical shield, the Ring of Fire will automatically (with a given frequency) create disruptive blazes/explosions of fire (a case similar to when Zaphragor is under the influence of Might of the Witch-king). Gandalf the Blessed will have his defence and attack respectively increased or decreased by 100%, alongside the magical shield getting even stronger.


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But will gandalf get a different skill with every stance ?.

Walküre:
What do you mean? Everything of fundamental note is indicated and explained in detail in the first presentation post. The new stance system we proposed doesn't alter any of the current iconic skills of the wizard. It is a mechanism that links his bubble shield with Narya, going back to the canonical sources. A sort of rationalisation of an aspect that would otherwise remain in the shadow, or as a loose feature of the hero.

mycaelspear:
I'm for the proposal.

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