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Narya
Garlodur:
Thank you for the contribution, I agree that Cirdan's first ability needs some reconceptualisation.
I see you have backed your idea with knowledge of lore, as this satisfies not just the real geeks here ( ;)) but also makes sense of any concept. However, the implementation is not very innovative because it sounds exactly like the Spell Book Horn of the Noldor, except that it is global and far too strong for a level 1 ability.
What I enjoy in Cirdan's new concept is that he remains a very steady hero (before he was a bit dull for this reason) who can shine at very important moments in battle. Of course I do not know how this will play out in the patch but I think the ET shares this intention.
Anyhow, such an ability that you propose moves away from the Narya ability in place. There is no passive effect and the active effect is not so strong where it matters on the battlefield.
The way I see Narya worked out of Cirdan's skill set is just by changing the background for this ability while maintaining its function.
For example, the ability could be called The First and Last, framing it around the fact that Cirdan is one of the eldest Elves in Middle-Earth, while also being the last after almost all other Noldor and Sindar remainders to leave towards Valinor. In gameplay it means he is considered an inspiration amongst the Elves, while protecting with great 'resourcefulness' in times of momentary need.
I hope to have sparked the debate around this a litte, as I deem it of importance to the implementation of Narya to Gandalf that a good alternative is found.
Walküre:
Yours is an absolutely fitting and conceptually precious proposal, Aulë. Thank you for having spent your time in crafting that. Gift of the Sea was meant to be a mere replacement for Círdan, but I guess we may now say that we have conceived a concept as proper for the hero as Narya is for the Istar. Totally in line with Tolkien's vision.
Ulmo does stand before all the other Valar in might, apart from Manwë and Varda (the mightiest of all). In the words of the quotation below, the Vala of the oceans can count on the genuine love of the Eldar, whom he often helps and guides. Rivers, streams and seas tell him and whisper the events of mortal lands, so that very little is in the end a secret for the Lord of the Water. Following in the footsteps of Narya's hope-infusing nature, this feature will equally rekindle hope in the hearts of the Elves. I took the liberty to create the button of the very ability and to rename it Ulumúri, because I personally deem it a better title (a bit more mysterious and sea-like). I have also found a suitable sound: something that you, Aulë, will hopefully recognise in a second ;)
--- Zitat ---Nonetheless Ulmo loves both Elves and Men, and never abandoned them, not even when they lay under the wrath of the Valar. At times he win come unseen to the shores of Middle-earth, or pass far inland up firths of the sea, and there make music upon his great horns, the Ulumúri, that are wrought of white shell; and those to whom that music comes hear it ever after in their hearts, and longing for the sea never leaves them again. But mostly Ulmo speaks to those who dwell in Middle-earth with voices that are heard only as the music of water. For all seas, lakes, rivers, fountains and springs are in his government; so that the Elves say that the spirit of Ulmo runs in all the veins of the world. Thus news comes to Ulmo, even in the deeps, of all the needs and griefs of Arda, which otherwise would be hidden from Manwë.
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J.R.R. Tolkien - The Silmarillion: Valaquenta
Ulumúri (Level 1): The Horns of Ylmir resound in battle, in times of struggle and strife. For 15 seconds all allied units on the map are fearless. Surrounding units gain +10% attack.
Sound: Horns of Ylmir.
I adjusted values a little, since the ability was objectively too much effective for the very first level. Furthermore, Garlodur, I think that an Ulmo-related concept is everything one could hope for, speaking about Círdan. Water is a theme we ought not to do without in this context, and the Vala himself has helped marine Elves many times, since the Elder Days. The proposal represents the hope-infusing aspect of Narya in another fashion (unique). And I do believe that the effects themselves don't render Círdan a so dynamic of a force, if you consider that those properties may serve well even for defence. A simple replica of the current ability wouldn't do justice to this concept; the idea itself behind the horn is quite compelling indeed, in the logic of an active feature. Anyway, I'm happy to know that we could have a debate about it. I'm open to anyone's thoughts :)
The prime proposal is Ulmo's enchanted horns, for now. If other ideas arise, I shall gladly include them too. I will also translate all of this in German.
The_Nazgul:
I'm totally agree with this idea after all this is my hour and i will break the wizard by my lord's will so why not let him wear his ring, (eowyn smile in background)
Walküre:
--- Zitat von: The_Nazgul am 15. Mai 2017, 19:46 ---I'm totally agree with this idea after all this is my hour and i will break the wizard by my lord's will so why not let him wear his ring, (eowyn smile in background).
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Well, ok :D
Thank you for the support. If you look at my forum signature, you will find another major concept. Will the ring-wraith be able to withstand Galadriel's ancient might?
AulëTheSmith:
--- Zitat von: Garlodur am 15. Mai 2017, 18:39 ---I hope to have sparked the debate around this a litte, as I deem it of importance to the implementation of Narya to Gandalf that a good alternative is found.
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I think you have sparked the debate ;) And also debates is the reason why this forum has been created i suppose :). About the matter you are right: problably if we found a way to substitute Narya that is convincing the easier will be to implement the concept of Gandalf as a new keeper (the two topics are complementary).
--- Zitat von: Garlodur am 15. Mai 2017, 18:39 --- Anyhow, such an ability that you propose moves away from the Narya ability in place. There is no passive effect and the active effect is not so strong where it matters on the battlefield. The way I see Narya worked out of Cirdan's skill set is just by changing the background for this ability while maintaining its function.
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I find it very hard to maintain the function as itself changing the name and background: the current mechanism passive+active is inevitably related to the magic ring itself as a magic tool: it has a passive aura and you can activate it exploiting its full power when needed :) The first idea of DieWalkure about it ("Gifts of the sea") i think was also directed towards some magic tools or magic gift in general ;)
--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 15. Mai 2017, 19:23 ---Yours is an absolutely fitting and conceptually precious proposal, Aulë. Thank you for having spent your time in crafting that.
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It's a pleasure to contribute wise Diewalkure :) i was lost in passion and mythology so i a bit exagerated with values and effect as also Garlodur rightly underlines :). i agree with your adjustments (at least fearless-effect remains map-covering, because it's the major power of the horns following the lore). I would dare to say we can increas a bit the area of influence of that +10% to a medium radius (a compromise between my exagerated values and your balance view) but in any case is a small detail :)
Very good palantir the drawings of Ted Nasmith are always a pleasure to see and make the Silmarillion alive ;). As for the sound i like the low frequencies (they give the idea of a big instrument) and also there is an eco-effect which sounds like something coming from far distances. Very good and thank you very much for your support :)
I have some ideas about where the sound comes from but i'm not totally sure : it seems a ship horn i think :)
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