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Narya

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Walküre:
I'm very happy to know that you like the art pieces I chose. As for Gift of the Sea, I wouldn't tinker too much around it. As I said, it was supposed to be an easy replacement for Narya. Nothing major. Ulmo's horns are a far better alternative, under many perspectives. Also, if you think about it, the sea is Ulmo himself. At the end of the day, it's always something from the Lord of the Water ;)

Moreover, as much as I really liked to come up with an equally decent concept for Círdan, I wouldn't regard the two proposals as a so much intertwined situation; one doesn't exclude the other. And Narya is naturally the main focus of this topic, given its structured system and utmost importance. Repatriating the Ring of Fire to his true owner is our paramount goal and thus goes beyond what is to come in regards of the Keeper of the Havens. It's legitimate to endeavour for a great result in the other direction too, provided that one side doesn't bind the other.

AulëTheSmith:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 15. Mai 2017, 23:13 ---, I wouldn't regard the two proposals as a so much intertwined situation; one doesn't exclude the other. And Narya is naturally the main focus of this topic, given its structured system and utmost importance. Repatriating the Ring of Fire to his true owner is our paramount goal and thus goes beyond what is to come in regards of the Keeper of the Havens. It's legitimate to endeavour for a great result in the other direction too, provided that one side doesn't bind the other.

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As for complementary i meant they are related in the way if we find a good alternative for Cirdan it's even easier to facilitate Gandalf-Narya. But of course it's not  so relevant : i would say it matters like a 5-10%, the other 90-95% goes to the main topic of this thread :)
Am i right about the sound? or totally lost? ;)

Walküre:
You got the percentages quite right, I guess :)

I'll give you some hints about the sound, in good time. Besides, feel free to discuss matters and different problematics related to the topic.

AulëTheSmith:
Here is the answer to the sound mystery (too much time without AOM makes me blind in looking for the answer, to say it more properly makes me deaf  xD). For those who don't know we are talking about the Einherjar, soldiers of Valhalla,great heroes died on earth:
 
DieWalkure there's no sound as mythical as the horns of Valhalla!  xD

As for the topic: i'm thinking about a new (small but unique) feature about the new ability. I will post later the general idea  ;)

Garlodur:

--- Zitat von: DieWalküre am 15. Mai 2017, 19:23 ---Ulmo does stand before all the other Valar in might, apart from Manwë and Varda (the mightiest of all). In the words of the quotation below, the Vala of the oceans can count on the genuine love of the Eldar, whom he often helps and guides. Rivers, streams and seas tell him and whisper the events of mortal lands, so that very little is in the end a secret for the Lord of the Water. Following in the footsteps of Narya's hope-infusing nature, this feature will equally rekindle hope in the hearts of the Elves. I took the liberty to create the button of the very ability and to rename it Ulumúri, because I personally deem it a better title (a bit more mysterious and sea-like). I have also found a suitable sound: something that you, Aulë, will hopefully recognise in a second ;)


--- Zitat ---Nonetheless Ulmo loves both Elves and Men, and never abandoned them, not even when they lay under the wrath of the Valar. At times he win come unseen to the shores of Middle-earth, or pass far inland up firths of the sea, and there make music upon his great horns, the Ulumúri, that are wrought of white shell; and those to whom that music comes hear it ever after in their hearts, and longing for the sea never leaves them again. But mostly Ulmo speaks to those who dwell in Middle-earth with voices that are heard only as the music of water. For all seas, lakes, rivers, fountains and springs are in his government; so that the Elves say that the spirit of Ulmo runs in all the veins of the world. Thus news comes to Ulmo, even in the deeps, of all the needs and griefs of Arda, which otherwise would be hidden from Manwë.
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J.R.R. Tolkien - The Silmarillion: Valaquenta

Ulumúri (Level 1): The Horns of Ylmir resound in battle, in times of struggle and strife. For 15 seconds all allied units on the map are fearless. Surrounding units gain +10% attack.

Sound: Horns of Ylmir.

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This is exactly the form of reconceptualisation I was referring to. I see now that I might have sounded too judgmental of the Úlmo aspect of this proposal. My apologies for this to Aulë.



--- Zitat ---I adjusted values a little, since the ability was objectively too much effective for the very first level. Furthermore, Garlodur, I think that an Ulmo-related concept is everything one could hope for, speaking about Círdan. Water is a theme we ought not to do without in this context, and the Vala himself has helped marine Elves many times, since the Elder Days. The proposal represents the hope-infusing aspect of Narya in another fashion (unique). And I do believe that the effects themselves don't render Círdan a so dynamic of a force, if you consider that those properties may serve well even for defence. A simple replica of the current ability wouldn't do justice to this concept; the idea itself behind the horn is quite compelling indeed, in the logic of an active feature.

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Indeed, the ability as you proposed, Walk, seems ready to be included in the mod. It synthesises the core concepts behind the original Narya power and Aulë's proposal: instilling hope and providing a temporary boost to morale.

Actually now I think of it, the Edain Team has not shared the revamped Imladris spell book yet. In their efforts to make all faction spell books unique, they might decide to take away the Horn of the Noldor spell. If this Ulumúri ability were to be implemented it would provide a greater alternative to the thematically weaker, standard Horn spell.
In terms of balance, removing the Horn spell that massively boosts Imladris troops in absolute terms would not be such a miss if you consider that Imladris units have two abilities themselves.

Anyhow, the discussion continues and I dearly hope the Edain Team will pick up on the developments in this thread.

P.S. I honestly believe we won't see Narya implemented as proposed in 4.5 yet, just so we can have a taste of the new Gandalf. It is more likely to be included in a bug/patch fix. Any comments Walk? ;)

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