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Walküre:

--- Zitat von: CragLord am  4. Dez 2015, 01:16 ---I also tested it in game and it worked fine in this last patch, because of that I wanted to ask him, maybe he noticed in latest patch. That was my thought, to check. :)


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As far as I know, it works fine in the latest patch.

So, it might even be a bug caused by the newest Beta, if it has been downloaded.
Anyway, I will definitely wait for what Elite will directly answer, as I don't want my mind to wander too much throughout pure speculations  :)

Elite KryPtik:
Well, all I can say is that last time that I used Melee Galadhrim and Human Beornings against upgraded Tower Guards, they got slaughtered. I will try to improve my play in future matches to test this better. Also, I didn't realize that Thorn Arrows had been fixed, so that's my bad there.

Elendils Cousin 3. Grades:
Well, as I said, in hindsight everything is easy and obvious and talking about it is always easier than actually doing it. Ingame it's a very different story. You still played well, considering you got doubled a lot and your teammate didn't have the strongest performance ;)

This still leaves the issue of gondor knights overperforming (at least) against Lorien, though.

Elite KryPtik:
Well, I never really got a great chance to test palace guards against them, as Haman unfortunately went with Tower Guards. I personally am of the mind that both of Loriens Pike units need a passive ability to help them against cavalry. For the basic Lorien Pikeguard, I would recommend a short term damage boost against cavalry, and for Palace Guard a short term armor buff, since the Pikeguards are more offensive styled and the Palace Guards are more defensive styled. That's just my view though. I also still think it would make sense to give just the Palace Guard, no other unit, some form of Elven Armor, because even more so than the Galadhrim they look REALLY heavily armored.

I also still think that overall the Silverthorns are a little weak, Lorien is supposed to be THE Archer faction, but their damage is kind of underwhelming. Maybe a small boost, something like 25% more than current? All of my other points as well about Grimbeorn, the level 10 power points, beorning trample immunity, a second ability for Caras Galadhon Guardians, and the others that I made still stand as well, though they haven't been discussed much.

IronSkye:
I have a small suggestion for you against trebuchets:
You can use upgraded Loriens sword men with their running ability to get to the enemies trebuchet kill it and then run back. This tactic works fine for me.

Like others wrote, if you use sword men you won't have problems against pikes anymore.


--- Zitat von: Elite KryPtik am  4. Dez 2015, 12:59 ---I also still think that overall the Silverthorns are a little weak, Lorien is supposed to be THE Archer faction, but their damage is kind of underwhelming. Maybe a small boost, something like 25% more than current? All of my other points as well about Grimbeorn, the level 10 power points, beorning trample immunity, a second ability for Caras Galadhon Guardians, and the others that I made still stand as well, though they haven't been discussed much.

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To Silverthorns, yes the damage boost isn't that much like before 4.0, but if they boost it too much, the new counter system won't work anymore (archers shouldn't be good against every unit). They want that you use other units, not only archers.

To Grimbeorn, yes he could use some area damage.

To the Beorings, if they add a trample immunity, they would be to overpowered.
And Beorings have already a trample immunity in their bear form.

A second ability for Caras Galadhorn Guardians is okay, but please no copy of other units (especially -75% damage isn't needed). In German forum they made the suggestion, that they get the ability of the mirkwood archers additionally and that mirkwood archers get an shackle-shoot instead. The mirkwood swordmen should deal less damage and slow the enemy units additionally instead. So that the mirkwood fraction would be more a tanky fraction which purpose is to hold the enemy away from the Lorien troops. If I have time I will translate some more suggestions in English.

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